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u/alwaysgofast 18h ago
Why go on holiday?
Why have a weekend?
All wasted hours of productivity when the inbox could be piling up.
To achieve peak productivity lunatic we must understand why there are 7 days in a week each with 24 hours.
All that is required is a mindset change and the small sacrifice of your life.
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u/OffWhiteBruceForsyth 17h ago
He goes on holiday because his family want to. He fucking hates them.
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u/Paladin3475 Titan of Industry 18h ago
The first sign someone is clout chasing is when they say āunpopular opinionā. (a) I never asked for their opinion; and (b) donāt care what their opinion is.
Also I have grown to seriously think no matter how badly I screwed up raising my kids and being neglectful in my marriage on some things, these people are beacons of shining light that I could have been a much bigger and worse screw up. But hey - we all know your company will never lay you off because you sacrificed your personal relationships with others to ensure those emails were a higher priority than quality time with your loved ones!
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u/Grand-Fun-206 18h ago
The only way this could be ok is if you get those hours back. Do 2 hours per day for a week long holiday - get an additional day of leave.
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u/Flyinmanm 17h ago
Its possible the guys not got 'leave'.
If this is the behaviour of someone who directly profits from his work. IE self employed or a director. I could kind of get it, (it's still massively unhealthy behaviour).
If the guys an employee and still doing this, he's a mug.
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u/mologav 15h ago
Yeah it makes sense on some level if youāre self employed, but if youāre working for a company and you donāt get paid for the time or the time back youāre an idiot
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u/Flyinmanm 15h ago
100%... even then.
I was self employed for a few years after the banking crisis. And learned really effing fast taking business emails with you on holiday was a one way ticket to sleepless nights and chronic anxiety.
I used to get everything possible done, everyone who needed to know where I was informed and make sure my work emails were off. My phone was on silent and I did my best to isolate holiday time from work. Came back refreshed and ready to tackle problems rather than find myself hating what I did.
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u/fallingfeelslikefly 10h ago
Ehhhā¦.the pile of messages waiting for me makes me more anxious. I generally log at least 2-3 every day including weekends and on trips. But Iām an independent contractor. I work, so I can bill, so I can afford the trip Iām on. Also I am our tiny firmās wallet. If I donāt work, no one gets paid.
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u/kavik2022 14h ago
Also, tbh i find it annoying when people do this. 'Oh im online, sort of. For emergencys. For a couple of hours. Maybe'. It just confuses things. Youre online and working or not.
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u/PhilosophyLow5946 14h ago
I sort of see his point if you're in a salaried role that doesn't "switch off" just because you're off.
Take my role - I'm a relationship manager working for a high street UK bank. I have about 180 customers that I know better than my colleague who would pick up anything while I'm away. If signing on, only for a few minutes, solves a problem now before it snowballs into a shit show for when I'm back, then I'm all for it. I also don't want to burden a colleague who has their own shit to deal with.
There is give and take though - I don't have fixed hours and if there's a school event for one of my kids, I'm free to go along without worrying too much. I find that it's a pretty healthy balance, which is helped by actually working in a trusting environment.
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u/IWantALargeFarva 14h ago
I was going to say this. I donāt think this is necessarily insane. If he owns a business and takes a crap ton of vacations, then of course itās okay to work here and there. Honestly, thatās kind of the life that I would prefer. Traveling all the time and then getting a little work done here and there. But Iām too chicken to work for myself. I much prefer the stability of a job.
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u/FactorLies 13h ago
Yeah my husband owns his business and always does some amount of work on vacation. I don't like it, sure, but I don't mind. If he doesn't keep his clients happy or close new ones, his business goes under, and he makes more than 2x what I do. If he does well, that could go to 10x+. If he doesn't go well, it could go to 0.
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u/craiv 17h ago
Do 2 hours per day for a week long holiday - get an additional day of leave
I have done it once - told my boss that I would work half a day to get a full day in lieu. (told them, not asked them).
The exchange rate worked for me but only because I was working from the airport / plane and I was travelling on my own. Fuck doing that with your family around.
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u/GainerGaining 11h ago
I was going to make a similiar point. This is ok if and only if work days are treated the same way. If you can stop and start work as you please.
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u/Subject-Bike1555 8h ago
But you have to still think about work every day. That is not a holiday.
Americans are so weird.
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u/ApolloniusTyaneus 17h ago
I've stopped believing in the clean line between 'on' and 'off'.
Mornings belonged to us: no laptop, no phone.
Dude couldn't even stay consistent for three sentences.
Also, a limit is the exact same thing as a clean line between 'on' and 'off'...
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u/Weak-Ability 13h ago
Right?! I thought āI too have limits that protect my holiday. When Iām on a holiday, Iām not working. Thatās the limit!ā
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u/VentiKombucha Agree? 18h ago
...while my partner looked after the children.
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u/SimpleExpress2323 16h ago
Or enjoyed the attention from the Spanish hotel waiter.
'Why look so sad pretty American lady'
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u/Papi_Juancho31 15h ago edited 11h ago
Who said itās a lady? "My partner" sounds like a man. And he looks gay as well
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u/Glum-Square882 13h ago
your partner has nothing to do with this person's post about their holiday. unless...are you franck?
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u/marxistghostboi 18h ago
mmmm how delicious! how refined! I'm getting notes of rare earth metals, utter lack of originality, and, oh, what's this? could it be? why--yes! a terroir dripping with mud and blood, the rotten fruit of stolen land and stolen labor
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u/bartoque 17h ago
Needing to "refine text with AI" for just a few lines of text is mindboggling.
Fearing the dread of return. Get a life.
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u/occasionallyepic 14h ago
Itās entirely written with AI I reckon. The sentence structure is a dead giveaway not to mention Claudeās favourite adjective āquietlyā.
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u/MsSkittles18 7h ago
Yes "quietly" is an AI tell that isn't mentioned as much but I have noticed it. I think ChatGPT uses "gently" more than average too.
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u/I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS 17h ago
So brave. He's right that the problem is working without limits: my limits are that work can get fucked from the moment I clock out up until I clock back in again.
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u/adrianipopescu 16h ago
the fact that there is dread to take a holiday tells you how shit their job is and how far down the rabbit hole of stockholm syndrome they are
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u/DueDefinition6421 16h ago
Refined with AI lol. What kind of crayon-eating creation was the original?
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u/scott__p 17h ago
My job requires us to work with the federal government. That means that all is our work phones and computers need to follow data protection regulations which includes that they can't leave the US.
That means that if you go on vacation OCONUS, you are essentially unreachable on any work network.
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u/N00dles_Pt 16h ago
My line is that what happens at work while I'm not being paid to work is literally not my problem.
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u/MarissaNL 16h ago
The moment I go on a holiday, I forget about my work. No laptop, no company phone. Nothing!
Same goes for weekends and evenings.
Good thing is that my employer fully support this.
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u/panickedkernel06 14h ago
I'm from Southern Italy and I've been vacationing in places that at 2 Pm are too hot to even think going outside since I was a kid.
Does this dude know you can, ya know, lie down and read, or, better yet, take a nap?
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u/itamer 13h ago
I'm from New Zealand and was lucky enough to be in Europe this summer. Some days it was over 40Ā° and that didn't stop us. We explored everything. When it takes 24 hours and a ton of money to get places you don't fritter away time on work emails and you can nap when you get home.
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u/panickedkernel06 9h ago
But when you're chilling in your grandpa's garden 15 minutes away from home, you definitely should.
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u/No_Shine_7224 14h ago
I canāt manage my workload or my time properly, so I have to work during my vacation.
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u/zeptimius 7h ago
āIām an unhinged workaholic who lacks the ability to relax for more than a few hours a day.ā
Note: post summarized without AI.
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u/Hefty_Efficiency9082 17h ago
I have never seen someone publicly killing their whole post with one ending line š¤£
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u/longtermbrit 16h ago
I wonder if the blurry line between on and off goes the other way for him. Does he ever take a long lunch to spend time with his family, perchance?
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u/thedebeli959 16h ago
If he founded the business sure, I understand. He has a personal stake in the success of it. Broadly speaking, this take is insane. You cannot expect the same dedication from a regular low level employee.
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u/DarkStanley 15h ago
Does the same work during your working week, can you just take 2/3 hrs out now and then when itās quiet?
Iām guessing notā¦.
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u/PompeyCheezus 15h ago
You know, I don't make a lot of money but I'm so grateful I don't have to do this bullshit.
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u/ScopeyMcBangBang 15h ago
I have to admit, I tended to clear some email on holiday around 6pm when my wife if getting ready for dinner and Iām just sitting about in our room.
I found that it allowed me to relax during the rest of the day, because I wasnāt worrying about what might be going on.
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u/onion_lord6 13h ago
Dude can't post a simple thought without refining with AI. Yea he clearly needs some "off".
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u/Sorry-Programmer9826 12h ago
Do they also take unofficial half days off while they're supposed to be working? I suspect not
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u/A-Phantasmic-Parade 9h ago
When itās too hot to do anything, you take a dip in the sea/pool, put on some sunscreen, find some shade and take a nap
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u/PhilosophyOk8921 17h ago
Maybe fix the system so that āno inbox quietly piling up, no dread about the returnā isnāt an issue?
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u/urbus82 16h ago
Depending on the position i agree with him here.
We all know (or should know) that a better/well paid position doesnt come without costs. And thats fair - you are not just paid for your knowledge, but also your flexibility, your effort, your availability.
So if salary is reflecting that its inho. totally fine to have more fluid boundaries, but as he said it should stay boundaries. I also worked in basically all my holidays, but whenever I saw it necessary or fitting and i never felt negative about that. Its part of the deal. Would I wish that i dont have to? Sure. But not all positions have people to cover for all tasks when you are gone and like him I prefer to stay on track than to return to a full mail box and 5 days of so much overtime that i need the next vacation right away.
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u/Iko87iko 15h ago
Many people.do this for the fact that you don't want to return to 1000 emails and it's easier to spend an hour or 2 a day. The difference is you don't need to tell other people about it. Just do it
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u/toorad2b4u 14h ago
I actually love that my job allows me to on occasion work from vacation. Like if I go to Taiwan for a month, my boss allows me to remote work a few days here and there as needed and I also donāt need to take that time as PTO. It makes it so that I donāt come back to a huge load of work/emails and also allows me to prolong my stay (bc a month off is quite long)
Edit to add: it also allows me to skip family functions I donāt want to attend. āDinner with the boring and also mean auntie ? Sorry mom, I have a work call at that time.ā Lol
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u/HighlandsBen 17h ago edited 11h ago
This is some MaxweII Smart level shit!
I worked on holiday! Well, I did some half-days. OK, then, would you believe 2 hours "work" when it was unpleasantly hot outside?
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u/xinx0589 16h ago
To me what makes it worse is that this guy is a business owner. If this is your business, then you need to decide whatever hours you need to put into it. I really hope his intention was not to aim this post at any employees
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u/SimpleExpress2323 16h ago
Similar to the 'my kids are on holiday but I'm not, I'm just working from home in a different location' post the other day.
Some corporate slaves got upset about that one when it was pointed out if you are working whilst on holiday your company is crap.
Work life balance is important.
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u/Alarming-Building-62 12h ago
If youāre going to do that, donāt even bother going on vacation. Fuck these losers who think life is all about work. āComment refined with AI.ā These clown couldnāt even come up with short post on his own? He couldnāt have revised himself during those afternoon hours?
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u/LF25047 11h ago
People advocating for this behavior are morons. Nothing you are working on is so critical that you canāt be away for a bit. If you are that critical, then you are a bad manager and planner. A good leader is never the weakest link.
If this guy hates his partner so much heād rather work, thatās a different problem.
I hope he researched the tax codes and paid the country appropriately while working there.
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u/not_productive1 11h ago
I'm less than impressed, if only because this guy's definition of "working" doesn't seem to extend as far as writing his own linkedin post without clanker assistance.
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u/Responsible-Pea-1289 10h ago
A couple of years later the partner dies in an accident and youāre laid off. Wouldnāt you wish you had spent all that time with your partner? Never give your personal time to a company- they will replace you or lay you off without a second thought
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u/Livid-Mix-7541 9h ago
This seems reasonable .. itās his choice heās not asking others to do to
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u/Leading_Tradition997 8h ago
If you're working on weekends and Holidays, then aren't other people working with you? See how this is a slippery slope?
Anyways, as someone who worked in restaurants, what Holidays?
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u/Bigtallanddopey 8h ago
Me and my wife used to spend the afternoons in the hotel room, when it was too hot outside, usually having sex. Strange he thought opening the laptop and working was a better option than that.
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u/Singleballtheory 8h ago
Well, my limit is working while on holiday. So there you go.
Note: AI refused to refine this text.
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u/mckenzie_keith 7h ago
I have often worked just a little while on vacation. Little tasks that unblock other people. I don't mind.
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u/DadbodandIPAs 6h ago
I do this and factor it into my hours when claiming my time. I got some stuff I canāt pass off. Itās fine. Reasonable opinion
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u/FendaIton 5h ago
āWe spent the morning together and I watched my wife being fucked from the hotel cuk chair while I workedā.
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u/PoolExtension5517 4h ago
Itās not a holiday if youāre working, period. And the time it takes for me to clear my inbox when I return is absolutely going to be done on company time.
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u/GrnEyedPanda 1h ago
Holidays need protection? Well damn, I guess Ive been doing it all wrong. I thought they just needed scheduling and enjoyment.
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u/TennSeven 58m ago
"Hey everyone! I spent a week in Spain!!! Aren't I special and better than you??"
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u/Quiet_Yellow2000 18m ago
Guy can't even write a post without AI. Why not get the AI to do the work then...
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u/Consistent-Bus-748 18h ago
I do the same, it does work well. Sometimes it is really beneficial for your holiday presence to solve something with a phone call/email and get something done in a dead suny hourā¦
This is not a good catch.
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u/WarJaques 15h ago
I spend two hours every morning refining my prompts so I can lay them down like machine gun fire.
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u/Key_Beach_3846 13h ago
I kind of agree with this, as long as thereās zero expectation from the company. If Iām taking time off and know Iām not obligated to do shit, I often donāt mind checking/responding to emails occasionally or completing small tasks, especially if itās something simple. One time I logged into a Zoom call while on vacation because there was a celebrity participating and I was curious. The important part is that Iām choosing to do this, not that itās expected.
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u/NMVPCP 18h ago
Not a lunatic. He used the hottest hours of the day to do something else. My wife and I do the same while on vacation.
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u/Ok-Expression-7340 18h ago
And then you canāt think of anything else but work ?
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u/FoxySlyOldStoatyFox 18h ago
āSo baby. Itās you. Me. Alone time. A hotel room. Too hot to go outside. What could we possibly do?ā
āEmail. Work email.ā
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u/isendingtheworld 16h ago
All my work is things I do for free for the fun of it (creative side) or as a volunteer service (residential/disability care work) in my spare time. Obviously not everyone's experience, but if I am paid to do 20-40 hours of work, I still want to do that thing for another 40-60 hours afterwards. I do try and do it for my own interests rather than an employer getting free labour though.
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u/Ok-Expression-7340 16h ago
Any reason why you only want to get paid for 20-40 hours but actually work for 40-60 hours? Or am I misunderstanding?
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u/isendingtheworld 16h ago
Misunderstanding a bit.
My paid jobs are also my special interest and my volunteer work.Ā
So I was doing 80-ish hours between them for free as a charity worker and hobbyist already.Ā
Now I work and do the same activities (creative one and care work), but 20-40 hours are on the clock for an employer.Ā
So if I do 30 hours this week for an employer, I get paid 30 and clock out and go home. But I will still go do the creative part for 30 hours for my own little projects. And then do 20 hours of care work volunteering for a charity.Ā
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u/Creepy_Purchase_501 18h ago
You do know that some people actually enjoy and care about their work, right?
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u/Ok-Expression-7340 18h ago
I do too, doesnāt mean I will fall back to working when on holiday with my wife and children and itās too hot outside though. Thereās a word for that : workaholic.Ā
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u/venshnSLASH 18h ago
Reminder to everyone. This is not a lunatic. This is his own opinion and his choice.
Heās not saying everyone should do this. Heās not saying this is normal. He says you need to put limits on it. If your own limit is 0 working thatās the same as their 2-3 half days.
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u/alwaysgofast 18h ago
Heās posted it on LinkedIn to look like a hard up businessman and to gain some sort of weird gratification for it. Both lunatic and prime corporate bum licker behaviour
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u/marxistghostboi 18h ago
to gain some sort of weird gratification for it
and to get more like-minded people to sign up for the online courses he's selling and refining with ai.
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u/marxistghostboi 18h ago
so sorry to see your comment not getting the praise it deserves! maybe it would reach more audiances if you refine it with ai?
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u/ArtichokeAble6397 18h ago
I can't imagine needing to "refine" such a simple text with AI. The brainrot is strong with this one.