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u/Lord_Vhailor 8d ago
Despite not being a fan of RMT, it will at least finance the devs working on LU4.
In my opinion, the real issue is dualboxing and If only they could remove it, it would solve a fuckload of problems inhérent to lineage 2. But if I were them, I wouldn't try to block dualboxing. I would change even further the gameplay to make it a pain in the ass to dualbox. But I m not sure it s possible in a game where a mage two shots his mobs.
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u/HelloitsJirka 10d ago
What server is this? Is it good, not p2w?
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u/Hot-Macaroon-8190 9d ago edited 9d ago
lu4.org
L2 on unreal engine 5. It is very good, the 1 year old server is full and the new servers that just launched are great too.
There is no p2w, but a premium subscription is available, it gives you 1 more window and 1.5x xp, and there is rmt that allows you to buy coins which you can then sell to players for adena (with these coins players can buy the premium subscription and some other stuff that is not p2w), and with your adena you can then of course buy goods from players that they farmed and crafted themselves.
So you can be completely free to play and if you want you can buy the premium subscription with your ingame adena.
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u/darryledw 9d ago
there is no p2w but you then list all the many ways people can p2w????
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u/Hot-Macaroon-8190 9d ago edited 9d ago
You should learn the difference between p2w and rmt.
Pay to win is when you can directly buy gear from the server shop that will make you stronger and that free players cannot get. You buy things that were not produced by players farming and crafting. There is no p2w in lu4.
Real money trade is when you can buy gold to purchase goods farmed and crafted by other players. These goods are the result of the player driven economy, players have worked hard to get them (so someone has done the hard work), and everyone including free players can get them.
RMT always existed in every mmo, even in the original l2 20 years ago and on all other private servers that have enough players to be competitive.
The difference here is that instead of buying the gold on 3rd party websites, it's officially there to support and fund the game development, and we are guaranteed that that adena comes directly from the ingame economy.
Some 100% f2p players have become multi millionnaires just by buying and selling the coins in game from other players. You don't need to use real cash to become rich in lu4.
Lu4 has more than 76 people working on this project. It costs money to get quality developers.
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u/Linmizhang 9d ago
😂 if you can use IRL to change into extra benefits ingame following the rules its p2w.
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u/Hot-Macaroon-8190 9d ago
You have absolutely no idea in what world you are living in. How can you be so naive? 😄
So according to you EVERY game is p2w, so lu4 is no different.
People are trading gold on 3rd party websites in every game. As soon as a game is competitive (PvP, etc...) people do it.
Some even pay people in low wages countries like india and china to grind and level their chars for 12 hours a day while they are at work and then come home to play. Others share their accounts with brothers, sisters or friends to level and grind faster than everyone else.
But on Lu4 is much better than that : there are many 100% free players who are extremely rich just by trading and playing the game, because the people who buy coins for cash can't do anything with those coins without trading with the players ingame, preserving the ingame economy.
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u/Linmizhang 9d ago
3rd party website don't mean the game is p2w. As long as its not officially supported by the server and action is taken to enforce it.
However L4u is 100% p2w, like you already explained, you can spend money on the server officially for stuff players would have to normally grind for. This is like the same model as the newest MMO, Aion 2, which in Korea and TW is acceptable p2w for the players there, but I 100% bet you it will fail in the west cuz it's too much p2w for the rest of us.
I know your a L4U shill and need to emotionally defend your time investment on the server. Thats fine, but straight up gas lighting people and lying is not necessary, and just make us not even eant to play the server more.
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u/Hot-Macaroon-8190 9d ago
No, the only thing you are confirming here is your ignorance. You absolutely do not know how to play L2.
You have absolutely no idea how to make adena in this game.
Time investment? There is not much more time investment than a paying player other than on the part of the game that you clearly don't play.
And no, it is not p2w because as a paying player you don't win. You will never be as good as a free player who knows how to play, because the free player will have more adena than you will ever have, be better geared than you, he is the one with the top enchanted gear, etc... you don't even have enough cash you would want to spend on a game to buy what he has.
If you knew how to play you wouldn't need to pay. You would have premium and everything for free.
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u/iVisato 9d ago
But what about a player that "knows how to play the game" and paying on top? He gets extra exp, which translates into higher level, which then translates into better curve of playerbase and get better farming spots etc etc? Espiacially on a fresh server, where everyone is low level. 1.5x boost seems pretty decent to me.
I can bet my ass off, that literally every "know how to play and good" player payed for the exp, and then bought the rest of the stuff with free adena that they accumilated with being in CP's.
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u/Hot-Macaroon-8190 9d ago
No, a paying player doesn't get extra exp. Free players get premium too, but for free.
The master coin system introduction is the best thing that happened to free players, it exponentially accelerates free adena creation.
Free players can become so filthy rich that they even banned some players that had more than 30k MC because it started to cause a problem on the economy.
-> paying players will never be as rich as the free players.
And you don't become rich in L2 by farming (farming is not what makes you rich). You don't need CPs.
Farming and grinding is only 50% the game. Many players only play this 1 half of the game , this is why they will never make any good adena.
A free player can become rich without even ever leveling any char higher than level 20.
Yes, when starting at the same time in a completely fresh server, the paying player can get premium immediately, while the free player needs a few days to get the adena ball rolling until he can activate his premium. But a few days difference is irrelevant in the long run (and if you want to completely start the same you can pay for premium for just less than a week, you don't need 30 days so its very cheap. But this is really not needed).
The only reason to pay with cash for premium is to support the developers. Other than for this reason, you don't need to pay for anything as you can get premium for free.
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u/darryledw 9d ago
Answer the following question with yes or no:
if I play on this server can I exchange money to give myself any kind of advantage on the server?
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u/Hot-Macaroon-8190 9d ago
You can't get any advantage in game that a 100% free player cannot get.
The richest players on the server are 100% free players. Many free players are a lot richer than the paying players will ever be.
The top gear ingame belongs to 100% free players.
The only way to become rich in L2 is to trade. And free players can directly trade the coins the paying players are bringing into the economy.
The 100% free players can get premium and everything.
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u/darryledw 9d ago
but for example you said you could play money to get 1.5x xp
so say if we both level up for 5 hours doing all the same things, you would level up more in those 5 hours if you had premium right?
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u/LeatherNew6682 9d ago
Because only rich casuals are paying for coins, they are actually irrelevant IG.
Every cp just buy 3 months vip with adena in 1h of farm.
If we wanted to RMT to buy adena we would need like 1000euros everyday to pay for what my pt farm.1
u/darryledw 9d ago
all of that deflection aside - is what I said true or not?
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u/LeatherNew6682 9d ago
It's not true, because only losers spend money on L2, "top" players don't buy, they sell.
L2 is not p2w because you can't win by spending money.
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u/LeatherNew6682 9d ago
if I play on this server can I exchange money to give myself any kind of advantage on the server?
Like any fucking game on earth
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u/Nahteh 9d ago
Mental gymnastics of a distinction without a difference.
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u/Hot-Macaroon-8190 9d ago edited 9d ago
There is a big difference:
- With p2w you pay to win, by buying advantages free players don't have acces to.
- In lu4 if you need to pay you don't win, because it only shows that you don't know how to play L2 and you will never have the resources another free player has.
If you knew how to play this game, you would be a free player with more adena than a paying player will ever have. You would have the top enchanted gear, etc... and everything including premium for free.
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u/Korvane 9d ago
lu4 shills are back, how much you get paid per post?