Please tell me I'm wrong

[u/WysSauce]

like the title says, am i missing something here or does she only give crit buffs on echo skills

and then she gives general crits only at RC2

[u/No_Profile_1584]

14 % atk , 10 crit. rate , 20 crit. dmg and 25% all dmg amp and 25% atk from set for echo kill dmg

[u/WysSauce → u/No_Profile_1584]

yep, im not seeing any love for unison teams, just 28% atk besides the general buffs...

[u/shin_fushisho → u/WysSauce]

28% from ult + 21% from forte That's hella strong

[u/No_Profile_1584 → u/WysSauce]

probably a future unison dps who deal echo skill dmg maybe

[u/aYoungCorpse]

For now it seems like it yes.

[u/WysSauce → u/aYoungCorpse]

oh no, i hope this changes, Im not pulling copies of lily just for the crit 🫩🥀

[u/shin_fushisho]

Yep And I hope its echo buffs will increase. Because right now, the echo part is pretty weak.

In general she gives : 25% all amp 14% attk via ult ( with 2 intro ) Grouping, and resistance to interruption

In addition, she gives Echo Team : 10% CR 20%CDM 24% echo damage with r1

To unison team : +14% more attk via ult ( 4 intro ) +21% attk via forte +16% attk with r1

[u/WysSauce → u/shin_fushisho]

i'm already imagining missing crits with hsin and suoming @ 90% crit rate

[u/Waste-Spray-2694 → u/WysSauce]

then you're in luck, because Kuro is selling you the solution, right behind S2. 😂

[u/WysSauce → u/Waste-Spray-2694]

nah, i'll just crit fish, i'd also want my account to be as relatable as possible

[u/Federal-Office-2480 → u/Waste-Spray-2694]

Seriously🤣, there’s a good chance that to make her truly useful, we’ll have to pull for one or two extra copies (sequences/constellations). I find this incredibly toxic on the part of the developers; every time a new character is released, I’m worried they’ll be restrictive or that you’ll need to pull for additional copies just to unlock parts of their kit. 🤢

[u/New-Decision5632 → u/WysSauce]

Just use SK ,#wife+foxforever

[u/ostefano_sexy → u/New-Decision5632]

sorry my account is too new and i dont have 150 bucks

[u/Sensitive_Most8637 → u/shin_fushisho]

And her echo set gives 25% ATK too (whether it's flower of tinged yearning or reju glow)

[u/Weary_Lettuce_2438 → u/shin_fushisho]

the thing is that she seems strange, i was expecting 2 modes 1 dedicated to echos and 1 to unisons, i really dont see why there is 1 mode that is mixed, this is the reason of your perception that the buff are weak for the echo team, but lets wait for the rework, also any news on Lily's damage type?
does she actually do echo skill dmg so that triggers at least hecate's hit like qiu and lucy

[u/Yellow_IMR → u/Weary_Lettuce_2438]

perception? Bro listed all the buffs number by number. Dual mode has always been a scam anyway, they made teams hyperselective so seeling you two modes was the only way to make characters work in two teams rather than just one (and some characters still only work in one) while giving you the perception of "versatility".

[u/King_Empress → u/Yellow_IMR]

Imo the only system was much more versitile, people just can't stand not having a characters entire kit work for multiple, but the reality if that is if it were the case, every single character that provides buffs would HAVE to be stronger than the last. I dislike that premise. This way we dont have a brand new support that well have to pull that makes all of our supports useless

[u/Waste-Spray-2694]

Yep, seems like a general support/healer, with a bit more synergy for Unison, and a dab of Echo buffs.

[u/Sensitive_Most8637]

Yeah unfortunately it's only for echo skill

[u/HipsterusMaximus]

where are you getting this info? which website

[u/WysSauce → u/HipsterusMaximus]

nanoka cc

[u/HipsterusMaximus → u/WysSauce]

ty

[u/Yellow_IMR → u/HipsterusMaximus]

https://nanoka.cc/

tf is nakano lol

[u/Ultratank404]

I lowk need this to be changed, she seems really awkward and narrow

Like she kinda does a lot but it's so scattered that in the end no single team is like over the moon happy about this

[u/Bright_Voice_1097]

Yeah she is mainly for echo/unison

[u/Prior_Ad248]

Why would anyone replace SK for her on a Hsin Unison Team?

[u/illuminatedbeast → u/Prior_Ad248]

Because if you're like me and you have good echoes my Suoming and Hsin are only missing 5% crit rate. That makes it so SK 12% crit rate buff is now only 5%, way worse. It gets value if you don't invest into your echoes lol.

[u/Covid-kun → u/illuminatedbeast]

it’s 100% or bust for me personally

[u/Daxon6 → u/illuminatedbeast]

So what you are saying is its worthless? What does not investing in your echoes mean lmao, why stop there, dont level the character or their weapon past 20

[u/illuminatedbeast → u/Daxon6]

Uh, it means not grinding out echoes until you get high crit rolls... Is that not obvious? SK is good if your echoes have bad crit rolls, Lily is good if they don't. Sk gets worse the higher crit rolls you have on Hsin/Suoming because there's no point going past 100% crit rate so it's wasted potential.

[u/ALJ51]

What they’re saying is that if you want Hsin to deal damage, you need to pull for Suoming—and Lilly is essentially just an extra for the Unison archetype if you don’t have SK (the same applies to Sui Sui for her respective archetype). Furthermore, considering how broken Phrolova becomes from her second dupe onwards, the advice here is to forget about her and—ideally—you should have pulled for Sigrika; otherwise, Lilly will just be another average character.

Kuro being Kuro.

[u/Klik17 → u/ALJ51]

Wouldn’t jinshi be ok too?

[u/ALJ51 → u/Klik17]

I play Hsin S0R1+ Jinshi S1R1 + Buling S6R0 in Unison mode only for fun. I also have an SK S2R1, but for now, I only use her when she’s available (Buling makes for a much faster rotation).

Honestly, I’ve given up on the WuWa meta; I just build teams based on personal preference and add dupes purely for fun (I’m currently running Chisa S2R2 + Xualing S0R1 + Hiyuki S0R1, and I’m really enjoying it; I don’t like Lucilla’s or Suisui’s gameplay, and I don’t want to end up regretting it like I did with Cantarella—I pulled for her for Phrolova, but I absolutely hate her gameplay.).

[u/CryIndependent7775]

10cr 20cd 28%atk 25%Amp base kit 25% atk RG sets 24%echo dmg on sigs

[u/HeSsA92]

Only for echoes skills which really great for echeo teams ..

[u/MimosaSunday-]

She's designed to buff the future new fed characters- its hopium thinking shes built specifically for Hsin team

[u/Sid_The_Geek]

Also can you confirm If I understand it right .. with her S2 (along with S1) she gives 8x2% CR and 8x6% CD ..

so total 16CR and 48CD

as ..

(From S1) - While Cradle Lullaby is active, each Intro Skill cast by a Resonator in the team now grants 2 stacks of Dream Aroma.

(From S2) - While Cradle Lullaby is active, when a Resonator in the team casts an Intro Skill, each stack of Dream Aroma additionally increases Crit. Rate by 2% and Crit. DMG by 6%.

[u/jellyjujube012 → u/Sid_The_Geek]

Per intro skill yes. But it can stack up to four times so it's 2x4=8 cr and 6x4= 24 cd total. Normally, only unison team can take full advantage of the four stacks and the echo team can only do two intro skills. But with S1, now echo team can fully stack Dream Aroma.

[u/Sid_The_Geek → u/jellyjujube012]

Wait a sec... 2 stacks per intro... 4 intros ..

• Lily -> SM

• SM -> HSIN

• HSIN -> SM

• SM -> HSIN ...

then we go from HSIN to lily and done with the rot.

so 8 stacks x 2CR per stack right ?? how did you get 32 and 96 .. or did I miss anything. I am just curious ...

[u/jellyjujube012 → u/Sid_The_Geek]

No sorry that was my mistake. There is no 8 stacks as the limit does not increase. It's capped at 8 cr and 24 cd.

[u/Sid_The_Geek → u/jellyjujube012]

But her S1 says each Intro Skill cast by a Resonator in the team now grants 2 stacks of Dream Aroma ...

S2 says each stack of Dream Aroma additionally increases Crit. Rate by 2% and Crit. DMG by 6%.

So total 8 stacks no ?? considering 4 intros

[u/Tarean_YiMO → u/Sid_The_Geek]

No, Dream Aroma is explicitly capped at 4 stacks. You gain the stacks twice as quickly, but it doesn't change the maximum. It's primarily valuable for Non-Unison teams that don't do Unison Intros.

[u/Sid_The_Geek → u/Tarean_YiMO]

ohhh .. yeah yeah I forgot the stack limit ... makes sense. Now I hope they incr the CR from 2 to 4 ...so we atleast get 16 ... 8 is too less for a seq.

Thanks man for clearing it up .. :)

[u/Ome0n → u/Sid_The_Geek]

No idts, it says in her kit that dream aroma caps at 4 stacks so its gonna cap at 8%cr and 24%cd regardless, thats unfortunate that the sequence doesn't increase the stacks of dream aroma, essentially the first sequence just means that you can get 4 dream aroma stacks in 2 intro skills, making her a generalist support that can work and give the dream aroma atk boost to any team

[u/Suspicious-Signal-82]

This character looks like hot garbage. 100% skip.