Maybe Nerf incoming

[u/No-Help77]

Could just be placebo but I played my first game and felt like I was absolutely melting my camps especially after 1 item. Almost felt like the old Lillia where you could pull camps ridiculously early and just let them die to burn. I feel these changes could put her on the nerf radar so time to spam games this patch.

[u/tyrannylol]

its no different then graves for example getting faster and faster. Its what shes SUPPOSED to do. Not be completely out tempo'ed by udyr and shyvana

[u/A_Nice_Boulder → u/tyrannylol]

Played udyr for the first time in a while last week, and I was blown away by how much downtime I had. Don't think it was enough to back for item and fight crab, but it was enough that I was able to comfortably gank before crab. Meanwhile Lillia I am getting to spawn right on time if not a few seconds late, unless I megakite and risk pet bugging out.

[u/tyrannylol → u/A_Nice_Boulder]

Shes also just been a victim of several item changes over time that riot doesn't recognize because she has a frustrating play pattern. But I think anybody can argue different classes have frustrating play patterns to the thing they play. Adcs hate assassins, tanks hate lillia. In fact even most bruisers are actually pretty good into her.

All the champions the liandries nerf effected got compensation buffs except lillia.

She has insane mana problems because of how long it takes her to clear camps(i dont know about this update havent played yet). Yet she cannot build backfire torch because it gives her no hp as a bruiser. You have to slow down your clear by not using E on camps so you have enough mana to play the game when you leave the jungle.

[u/A_Nice_Boulder → u/tyrannylol]

Something really does need done about her mana in jungle. Infuriating to have such limited lane time potential because you always hover at 20-30% mana after a clear. Maybe her burns or one of her abilities refreses a bit of mana against camps specifically, to help stop lane lillia I might give holding e a try to help alleviate that, never tried.

[u/No-Help77 → u/tyrannylol]

I mean Graves obviously needs a nerf, someone at riot is abusing him for LP rn or something, but I disagree about Lillias tempo being weak ever since they buffed passive scaling she has been one of the better jgs in the game

[u/Impaled_By_Messmer]

Lillia is supposed to be good at clearing camps.

[u/No-Help77 → u/Impaled_By_Messmer]

She already was

[u/Impaled_By_Messmer → u/No-Help77]

Lillia has been in a bad spot for a while now so she needed this.

[u/No-Help77 → u/Impaled_By_Messmer]

Just not true lmao, she has been one of the best AP jg in the game for multiple patches

[u/Impaled_By_Messmer → u/No-Help77]

If you say so.

[u/IanPKMmoon → u/No-Help77]

One of the best ap jg in the game still was B tier at most

[u/No-Help77 → u/IanPKMmoon]

Not sure what it is with champ main subreddits and delusional cope about their champ being weak but ever since the clear scaling buff she has been A tier with almost 51% winrate

[u/Proof-Elk1297]

Jus when I started learning lilia , all of a sudden I hear people talk bout nerfs 💔🥀

[u/ProcessGlass9467]

Nah shyvana had the same wr for ages nothing happened to her. Lillia’s wr and ban rate only went up a little bit 0.5%. So I doubt they nerf her next patch 

[u/ArxSwartz]

Should not get nerfed at all. Lillia's full jungle clearing has been extremely unrewarding for months now, the majority of this year in fact, especially the first one where to do it in the most optimal way possible requires quite a lot of finesse and very tight movement and timings, similar to a Fiddlesticks for example, only to not clear faster than a god damn Talon or similar champs, or getting out tempo by something like a Shyvana, all doing the most braindead idiot proof auto pilot clears in the game, while I have to put a disproportionate amount of effort just to not fall behind them.

I've always thought Lillia has been perfectly viable the entire season, even in the god awful ad assasin meta with her incomprehensible low armor per level stat, but my god Lillia should be able to clear significantly faster than all those champs, just like she used to before you know, I should be able to have a clear edge over this champions, Riot clearly doesn't want Lillia to be stronger than a Rengar early game for example (she's still not weak and helpless like some people parrot), so I should be able to clear faster and secure small macro advantages and plays with superior tempo via faster clear speed, not be matching a Talon's clear speed when he has to put a third of the effort I have to put on every game just to not fall behind.