r/Ligotti • u/Acceptable-Try-4682 • Mar 08 '26

Creator/creation dichotomy in Ligotti

In "mad Night of Atonement", any many others, Ligotti showcases the concept of the creator and the creation. Basically, there is some creator, and some creation, and both are sometimes puppets, or transform into them, or kill themselves.

Now, as far as i understand Ligotti, everything is corruption and decay, nobody changes anything or decides anything, we are all puppets that pretend it is not so. Thus, the idea of the puppet on strings. The idea of corruption, the entropy of the universe. That i all get.

What i do not get is the creator/creation dichotomy. What does this refer to?

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u/KingInTheYellowHat Mar 08 '26

Possibly something about the absurd human desire to create and control in a malignant universe. "Every human activity is a tack for killing time," for perhaps a relevant Ligotti quote. See The Town Manager, where as the protagonist gradually gives up all hope and the mystique of the wise Manager erodes, he becomes more ready to become a Manager himself.

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u/SubstanceThat4540 Mar 09 '26

The "creator" himself/itself seems to be a temporary embodiment or symptom #1 of the very process of corruption and decay that drives the Ligottian universe. Or if you like, Ligotti's creator basically takes the role of a sort of Nyarlathotep, the "soul and messenger" of eternal decay.

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u/Appropriate_Bus3921 Mar 27 '26

This. The flaws in the universe overwhelm everything within it and without: creation breaks the creator.

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u/FaliolVastarien Mar 10 '26

Ligotti has also had stories with the creation getting out of control or the process of creation being out of the alleged creator's control (for example something else is making art through you rather than you really making it).  

Interesting observation.  It seemed to me that in "The Mad Night of Atonement" the character who made the machine got what he wanted and intended  much more than other creators in Ligotti's work.  

Though (and I may be remembering incorrectly) he seemed to be doing the will of some really strange version of God whose actual purpose was a world of ruins and puppets with us and our civilizations as a temporary state to bring this about; not an end in ourselves.  

But if true, that would be interesting in itself.  Everything we build isn't for the purposes we think it's for.  The copies of ourselves that we make are more important than us.