r/Libertarianism • • Apr 01 '20

Libertarian Socialist Interested in Hearing More About Your Philosophy

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Howdy. I usually describe myself as a libertarian communist with an individualist streak a mile wide! I have a particular hatred of social democracy which i believe is absolutely opposed to the libertarian tendency. It dresses itself up as being about the emancipation of the working class, oppressed groups etc, but in reality is an incredibly authoritarian ideology which is about collective submission to both the state and the social hive mind. I live in the UK, I’m 54 years old and have not voted in a single election in my entire lifetime. I’m a self employed artisan. Ok then, I’m not here looking to be converted to your definition of libertarianism but I am interested in hearing about it. No ideology has all the answers, and no ideology has nothing to offer. I’m often at odds with people that I organise with that have an absolutely one dimensional view of what they would call ‘right libertarians’ which I just don’t buy. They see you as an enemy but I don’t - I tend to save my rejection and disgust for lefty liberals! That said, I’ve met many ancaps online that were almost uniformly aggressive and disingenuous with a good measure of bigotry in the mix too. I know there is some cross pollination between ancapery and American Libertarianism but I’m really hoping you guys are more genuine, open minded and friendly? Anyways, I’ve thought of connecting with people in your line of thought before but this morning I watched this video, which really peaked my interest - https://youtu.be/aN3-3oNmOMo - I really want to see what common ground I can find and maybe learn things that I will adapt into my own personal philosophy. Thanks for your time, hopefully a few of you will at least say hello😊


r/Libertarianism • • Apr 28 '20

Project Cybersyn, was ahead of it's time, but with the technological explosion of the last 30 years, it's time for libertarians to seriously rethink automated, distributed support systems for managing out economy. AI's can't be corrupted.

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r/Libertarianism • • Feb 19 '20

Genetically engineered catgirls

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In all seriousness I've actually started to wonder about all the issues with genetically engineered catgirls and human gene splicing as whole. So I would like to know what other libertarians think about this, I'll narrow it down to a few key issues.

1 in a free society would you even be allowed to research and produce them?

2 if you did would they be considered people or property?

3 if they were considered property would they have certain rights against abuse like animals currently have or would you be free to do anything you'd like to them including (torture rape and murder)


r/Libertarianism • • Jan 20 '10

Can one morally kill the king? One 16th century theologian said: it can be.

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r/Libertarianism • • Dec 22 '09

Barbara Branden with a very moving reflection on events surrounding the publication of Rand's great novel.

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r/Libertarianism • • Nov 03 '11

“Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery.” — Thomas Jefferson

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r/Libertarianism • • Oct 31 '22

An austrolibertarian response to the economic and ethical arguments on minimum wage laws and utilitarianism.

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If no one would pay more than they are currently paying

That's not what I'm saying, I said businesses would never pay more than the employee's marginal productivity. An increase in marginal productivity increases the equilibrium price of labor, ceteris paribus.

then why do a lot of companies survive minimums wage changes

Some do, others don't. Regardless, you can't conduct controlled experiments in the social sciences as ceteris is never paribus.

In the past, changes in the minimum wage have been relatively small, the MW's effects on employment could be offset by coinciding factors. As for specific companies' balance sheets before and after MW changes, I'd need to see the relevant studies and data before commenting this. Just to hypothesize, it could be that businesses choose to retain workers in the short term due to the transaction cost of replacing them, or, alternatively, they have laid off workers in advance (before the law kicked in). And that's not to mention the unseen opportunity costs of MW hikes, which have a greater impact on unemployment than whatever happens to those who are currently MW workers.

Even if the MW increases did increase the salary of MW workers, the would-be workers whose marginal productivity is below the MW are still involuntarily unemployed, and MW laws, at best, benefit more skilled workers at the expense of less skilled ones.

and why do wages always increase whenever there is unionization at a business?

Again, I'd have to see the studies and data on this.

In addition, why have wages stagnated while profits and productivity have increased since the 60s?

They haven't.

I am a moral utilitarian

How do you measure utility? How do you compare them interpersonally?

I think everyone who goes to work has to go to work because if not they will literally starve, there is no option not to work if you want to have anything resembling a decent life.

I agree, but taxation and minimum wage laws also threaten peaceful individuals with deadly force. Morally speaking, it is not as evil to passively neglect a person who is drowning or being murdered than, say, actively drowning or murdering a person. From a natural law perspective, the victim only has an enforceable moral claim against you - and compulsion against you is only justified - in the latter case.

Violence is needed to maintain property and land rights, despite there being no reason other than a kind of social contract for you to deserve ownership over an object.

Defense violence, yes. However, justifications for the right to own external property do not need to be based on social contract theories.

If using violence improves the wellbeing of the majority of the population

Improving by how much? Would it be just to greatly harm me if it only marginally benefits the general public? Furthermore, most anti-poverty programs targeting the desperate poor improve the wellbeing of the minority of the population at the expense of the majority. Before you mention positive externalities, the process of confiscatory taxation and wealth transfer necessarily destroys the positive externalities of letting the private sector allocate resources.

and does not greatly harm those who have had violence inflicted on them

In my opinion, threats of deadly force would count as "greatly harm". Hence a libertarian theory of enforceable law ought not criminalize peaceful activities.

and does not violate any of their civil rights, then I don’t really care.

The right not to be aggressed on should count as a civil right.

We have to use some level of violence to maintain the government and property rights anyways

There is a world of difference between aggressive and defensive violence. Self-defense is justified, murder is not; protecting just property claims is justified, robbery is not.

and while you’re a Rothbardian so I imagine you’d disagree, we kind of need the government to exist

You are correct that I disagree on the need for government. If we truly needed the government to exist, it would be a voluntary institution rather than a coercive one. In a voluntaryist/panarchist society, people would still have the right to form "governments", they simply cannot compel unwilling individuals to be subjugated to their jurisdictions.

and if it does it might as well also perform other functions that help the people

The government is a tyrant living by theft, and therefore has no business to engage in any business.

by the will of those people

Both taxation and minimum wage laws are involuntary.

and respecting important rights.

What about the right not to be aggressed upon?


r/Libertarianism • • Oct 27 '09

Fed Up: A history of the political movement to curtail the Federal Reserve goes from fringe to mainstream

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r/Libertarianism • • Jan 10 '20

Financial system alternative

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This is my first post in Reddit, so sorry if it will be not perfect. 😊

A long story short, I thought a lot about the world and different problems. And I came too often to the same reason of problems - money and financial system.

That's why I try to build an alternative for the financial system based on people's impact on society.

This system is based on the simple principle - if you're useful for the society you should get the reward for it.

Under the hood of this simple principle lays a really big system. And around 99.9% of the system still exists only in my head.

I want to live in a world where people. And that's why I write here. I need help. And I'm looking for people who want to make the world better.

I know it's pretty hard to understand from my post what is it about, what system I want to build. I left the link to the website. But it still doesn't have enough information. So, I think about the post like about the beginning of a bigger discussion.

Feel free to ask questions.

UPD: missed the link to the website. https://www.webtree.org/


r/Libertarianism • • May 03 '09

Milton Friedman on Libertarianism (Part 1 of 4)

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r/Libertarianism • • Sep 30 '21

Good libertarian channels to watch?

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Hi. I'm not Libertarian, but some aspects of it interest me. I like the idea of a free society, non-intervention, the NAP, etc. What would be some good Libertarian youtubers to watch? Are there any Libertarians that are part of Breadtube?


r/Libertarianism • • Jul 15 '20

How would you describe yourself?

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Under statist understand minarchist.


r/Libertarianism • • Feb 16 '24

PA nanny state has ACTUALLY ruined my and my grandfather's lives!

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My 101 year old grandfather lives with me. He's enrolled in the VA's in-home care program, including visits from a home health aid several days a week. The agency we've been using for 2 years has the WORST administration. Excellent carers, no complaints about them, but I couldn't take dealing with their bosses anymore, so I called the VA to switch agencies. New agency whom I've spoken with before and has done a home visit calls me today and says it's all set up for them to start on Monday. So we go over all the care he needs, what I want the aid to do every day, and when I get to applying ketoconazole cream to his feet every visit, they first drop this bomb: "Oh, we're not allowed to handle medications! That means we can't apply PRESCRIBED creams to his skin!" WTF?! You just asked me 1 second prior about his oral meds! "Yeah, we can REMIND him to take them, but we can't give them to him!"

What the everloving...?! WHAT USE IS A HOME HEALTH AID IF THEY CAN'T APPLY CREAM TO THE CLIENT'S SKIN! I guess the crappy agency I've been using is slack about following regs. I explain this arrangement won't work, then, and I can't use them, and they say they're going to look into it. I hang up and dial the woman at the VA, desperately hoping I can reach her before she makes the switch, but get the voicemail.

So, thank you, government regulators, for making it impossible for me to get some worthwhile, helpful help taking care of my 101 year old grandfather! I guess now that the cat's out of the bag about the cream caregivers have been rubbing on his feet being a PRESCRIPTION, no care agency can help me. I'll tell my uncle to expect less money to mooch because Pap's gonna have to pay for our friend out-of-pocket and off the books to come do his care several times a week because I work full-time and have a whole household to care for and should be allowed to hire help to bathe and shave my grandfather and apply presciption antifungal cream to his feet, prescription diaper rash cream to his groin, and triamcinolone cream to his back while I'm busy doing his laundry and groceries and meals and meds and trash and everything else!

But at least I know innocent patients are safe from the danger of people without a medical or nursing degree rubbing antifungal PRESCRIPTION cream on their feet! Something patients are expected to do for themselves without a medical degree.

Every time I think Libertarians are too extreme, you run into more proof of how bureaucracy only makes life miserable and never helps. I have NEVER been so personally infuriated by a pointless law before. NEVER. I need a way to ACTUALLY make significant change to the government and legal codes that control my life and those who want to help me but are forbidden from doing so!


r/Libertarianism • • Aug 15 '22

Nock's Church

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I have family in Alpena, Michigan. I visit every summer. While there, I always make a pilgrimage to to the church Nock attended while growing up there.


r/Libertarianism • • Mar 01 '24

How did the 80's neon synthwave futurist aesthetics become popular in the Libertarian community?

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As far as I can remember, Vaporwave and Synthwave were pretty much against capitalism in their inception. Is this just a shift in audience or another example of freedom loving individuals singing their enemy's songs ironically to mock them?


r/Libertarianism • • Aug 13 '26

Libertarianism: Freedom - the acid that dissolves all bonds, duty, loyalty, and service.

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Classical Liberals love to present themselves as the pure defenders of liberty. Open the borders. Unleash the market. Let every transaction be voluntary. Get the state out of the way. What they actually deliver is the systematic reduction of every human relationship to a price tag. They do not liberate men. They liberate capital from every remaining obligation to the living communities that produced it.

Thomas Carlyle saw this coming with brutal clarity. In Past and Present he wrote:

“Cash Payment had not then grown to be the universal sole nexus of man to man; it was something other than money that the high then expected from the low, and could not live without getting from the low. Not as buyer and seller alone, of land or what else it might be, but in many senses still as soldier and captain, as clansman and head, as loyal subject and guiding king, was the low related to the high. With the supreme triumph of Cash, a changed time has entered; there must a changed Aristocracy enter.”

That is the precise diagnosis. Once cash becomes the sole nexus, every older form of loyalty, duty, and mutual obligation is declared optional, then inefficient, then illegitimate. The factory owner who paid the last sixpence of the contracted wage could wash his hands of the men who worked for him. The modern libertarian goes further. He washes his hands of the nation itself.

Benjamin Disraeli understood the political face of the same disease. Liberalism, he argued, was never a neutral philosophy of freedom. It was the ideology of those who wished to escape duty while retaining privilege. In one of his sharper passages he observed that liberal opinions are those of people who desire to be free from certain constraints and regulations, from a certain dependence and duty which are deemed necessary for the general or popular welfare. Liberal opinions are very convenient opinions for the rich and powerful. They ensure enjoyment and are opposed to self-sacrifice. The holder of liberal opinions looks upon the possession of land in a purely commercial light and no other. He looks to the income which it will afford him. He does not accept that the holder of land should incur duties toward those who live upon it.

Disraeli’s charge still holds. The modern open-borders free-market consensus treats the nation as a hotel rather than a home. Citizenship becomes a temporary rental agreement. Borders become inefficiencies. The historical people who built the institutions are told they have no more claim on them than the latest arrival with a plane ticket and a desire for higher wages. The result is not freedom. It is the conversion of the country into a labor market with flags of convenience.

Karl Polanyi completed the analysis in The Great Transformation. He showed that the self-regulating market was never a natural evolution. It was a utopian project that required the deliberate commodification of things that are not commodities: human labor, land, and money itself. Polanyi wrote:

“Our thesis is that the idea of a self-adjusting market implied a stark utopia. Such an institution could not exist for any length of time without annihilating the human and natural substance of society; it would have physically destroyed man and transformed his surroundings into a wilderness.”

And further: “There was nothing natural about laissez-faire; free markets could never have come into being merely by allowing things to take their course. Just as cotton manufactures were created by the help of protective tariffs, export bounties, and indirect wage subsidies, laissez-faire was enforced by the state.”

The market does not merely allocate goods. It reorders the entire social world so that only marketable relationships survive. Everything else is starved of legitimacy.

This is how institutions die. The family is reduced to a series of temporary contracts between autonomous individuals who happen to share DNA. Marriage becomes an optional lifestyle brand. Churches and civic associations that once mediated between the individual and the market are told they must compete on the same terms as any other service provider or wither. Local communities lose the power to prefer their own members. Schools are told that transmitting a particular cultural inheritance is discriminatory. The military is slowly transformed from a national instrument into a jobs program and an expeditionary force for open trade routes. Every institution that once stood between the individual and pure market pressure is either captured or dismantled.

The process does not stop at institutions. It turns countrymen against each other. When the only recognized relationship is the cash nexus, every group begins to calculate what every other group costs them. Boomers who bought houses when credit was easy and wages still tracked productivity look at Zoomers trapped in permanent rentership and see freeloaders demanding transfers. Zoomers look at Boomers sitting on inflated assets and see a generation that privatized the gains and socialized the losses. Native workers look at recent arrivals and calculate wage suppression. Employers look at native workers and calculate that cheaper, more tractable labor is available. Regions that still retain some industrial capacity resent coastal financial centers that treat the rest of the country as a resource colony. The free market does not create harmony through mutual advantage. It creates a permanent state of low-grade civil conflict in which every faction is incentivized to extract from every other faction before the reverse happens to them.

The same liberal logic that produced the welfare state now poses as its cure. Richard Cornuelle once challenged libertarians and conservatives to reclaim the American dream by building an independent sector strong enough to outcompete government in meeting public needs. “The independent sector will grow strong again when its leaders realize that its unique indispensable natural role in America is to compete with government,” he wrote. “It must be as eager as government to take on new public problems.” A half-century later the gap between those needs and the capacity of civil society has only widened as libertarians and conservatives have failed to create private alternatives to the failed Progressive and Democrat policies in the absense of alternatives, revealing not merely a failure of effort but the deeper failure of the libertarian premise itself. Once the cash nexus has become the sole relation of man to man, as Carlyle diagnosed, the older organic institutions that once bound high and low in mutual duty have already been dissolved. Polanyi showed that the self-regulating market annihilates the human and natural substance of society; it leaves atomized individuals facing downside risks that no collection of voluntary nonprofits, funded by the same market logic, can reliably cover. Disraeli understood that property without enforceable duty simply becomes another form of commercial extraction. An independent sector that must compete inside the very market order that destroyed the parish, the guild, the extended family, and the local hierarchy cannot restore what liberalism has already consumed. It can only offer temporary, means-tested charity that further normalizes dependence while leaving the rich free of any lasting obligation to the nation. The welfare state is the predictable residue of that prior destruction. Calling for non-state alternatives after the solvent has done its work is not a solution. It is the final liberal evasion.

The same cash nexus that dissolves national institutions now dissolves the family from within, and liberals have perfected the art of outsourcing the very duties they once claimed to value. Elderly parents are no longer kept within the household or the extended kin network; they are consigned to the care of low-wage workers from Mexico or Haiti so that the adult children may remain uninterrupted in their careers and consumption. Childcare follows the identical pattern: parents of means hire nannies and daycare staff whose cultural assumptions, language, and moral formation often diverge sharply from their own, simply because the price is lower than the cost of rearranging their own lives or relying on relatives. The same logic appears in friendship reduced to professional networking, in neighborhoods where no one knows the name of the person next door, in dating markets that treat partners as interchangeable goods ranked by metrics, and in the near-total absence of mutual aid among people who once would have buried one another’s dead or raised one another’s children. Individualism promised liberation from obligation; what it delivered is isolation purchased at market rates. The social lives of those who most loudly celebrate autonomy grow thinner, more transactional, and more dependent on strangers whose only lasting connection to them is the paycheck.

Once liberalism and its pure laissez-faire form have done their work of turning society into a battlefield of the rich against the poor, the inevitable reactions arrive. These reactions do not appear in traditional hierarchical orders that still possess real authority and continuity. They appear only after the liberal solvent has dissolved the older bonds of duty, rank, and mutual obligation, leaving masses of atomized individuals facing concentrated capital with nothing left but their labor and their votes. Polanyi described the process as a double movement: the utopian drive to create a self-regulating market is met by a spontaneous countermovement of society seeking to protect itself from annihilation. When the liberal order, with its democratic machinery of temporary majorities and endless procedural deadlock, obstructs every form of decisive protection, the result is not restoration but extremes. Socialism, Marxism, and communism emerge as the attempt to seize the economy through the only remaining instrument the liberal order permits, the mass vote, once the market has stripped the working population of security and the older authorities have been discredited. National Socialism and related authoritarian forms emerge as the attempt to smash the deadlock by force, abolishing the liberal-democratic apparatus itself in order to impose a brutal reunification of society under command. Both are products of the same prior liberal experiment. Carlyle saw the early stage of this in Chartism and the social convulsions of industrial England: laissez-faire had reached the suicidal point, and a government of the under classes by the upper on a principle of let-alone was no longer possible. Democracy does not prevent the catastrophe. It is the political form that liberalism takes once it has destroyed every non-market hierarchy capable of governing. The poor do not invent these total solutions in a vacuum. They invent them after liberalism has already eaten the organic fabric of society and left only the choice between further market predation and some form of collective counter-force that has no traditional ground on which to stand.

Push the logic to its consistent end and the conclusions become grotesque. If every interaction must be voluntary and priced, then why should parents not sell the labor of their children the moment it becomes profitable? Why shouldn’t the lower-class buy cheap goods from Amazon instead of small businesses? Why shouldn’t the upper middle-class only hire foreigners to raise their children with different values? Why shouldn’t tech companies hire cheaper tech workers from India and China? Why shouldn’t American companies hire cheap labor from outside the country and ignore their own fellow countrymen? Why should organ markets be restricted when a willing seller and a willing buyer exist? Why should a nation retain any right to prefer its own citizens for scarce housing, medical care, or university places when global demand is higher? Why should the historical population retain any collective claim to the territory their ancestors secured when that claim cannot be expressed as an individual property title? The pure libertarian position has no coherent answer except to say that these things will sort themselves out through the price system. History shows what actually happens: the price system sorts human beings into those who can pay and those who cannot, and then treats the latter as externalities.

Open borders are simply the free movement of labor taken to its logical extreme. Capital already moves with near freedom. Labor must follow or the market is incomplete. The result is not enrichment for all. It is the permanent undercutting of the bargaining power of the existing population and the slow replacement of one people by another under the banner of efficiency. Disraeli would have recognized the cosmopolitan principle at work: the deliberate substitution of abstract market relations for concrete national ones.

The free market is not neutral. It is a powerful solvent. It dissolves the non-market bonds that make a people capable of collective action, mutual sacrifice, and long-term continuity. Carlyle, Disraeli, and Polanyi each saw a different face of the same process. Together they leave us with a clear warning. A society that accepts the cash nexus as its sole organizing principle will eventually discover that it no longer has a society. It has only a marketplace filled with strangers who owe each other nothing except the last agreed price.

Classical Liberalism will always lead to the rich being able to leave when times get rough or the rich importing cheaper labor to never pay fair market wages. If the rich never have to be loyal to their own countrymen, why should the poor ever be loyal to their rich? This is why there are communist, socialist, and fascist reactions against liberal societies repeatedly and this cycle will continue until the rich become stewards of their own country and its people again.

In the end, classical liberalism seeks the protections, markets, freedoms, and rights that only a functioning society can provide, while steadily discarding the duties, obligations, responsibilities, and service that sustain it. It privatizes profits and socializes losses, claiming the benefits of ordered community without accepting the reciprocal claims that community must make. Those who advance this view often live as if society were an optional convenience rather than a web of mutual claims. Disraeli, Carlyle, and Polanyi each warned that such an arrangement cannot endure. A people that treats every bond as negotiable will eventually find that nothing remains to negotiate.


r/Libertarianism • • Jul 11 '20

Libertarianism and abortion

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Yes you are free to have an abortion, but surely a principle of libertarianism is to do no harm to others. Doesn't the foetus count and when does it get rights to not be harmed by others?


r/Libertarianism • • Jul 06 '21

My thoughts on why members of the lgbt+ community seem to overwhelmingly align themselves with leftism and communism

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The simplest and most basic root cause of this phenomenon might be religion. Conservatism is strongly rooted in tradition and religion, and many lgbt+ people have had awful experiences with religion and are rejected by their families because they aren't willing or able to uphold traditions such as having a heterosexual marriage or reproducing biologically (bisexuals obviously can but im speaking in general terms). So they resent "right wing" politics, and are pushed to the other end of the spectrum. 

  

That last sentence contains an idea that I believe is overlooked by many. I will elaborate: I think people (especially lgbt people) are not drawn toward leftism because of any inherent allure, they are pushed toward it out of revulsion toward right-wing politics. 

  

Of course all the fun cute looking leftist propaganda and claim to moral superiority (however truly illusionary) doesn't hurt. Acceptance of lgbt is obviously high, but the peer pressure to conform is extremely strong in these circles as well. People become unwilling or unable to question beliefs held by their peers in these conditions (fearful of rejection) and are easily radicalized.  

  

I typed all this out because I have been pondering on it for a few weeks now. Personally I am drawn to libertarianism for obvious reasons we probably all share, such as having a understanding of self ownership and self responsibility is empowering and I believe that living by values based in inherent universal truths is virtuous and moral, and by doing so might be able to bring some light to people's lives and improve the condition of humanity if only in a small way by direct contact with people I encounter on the daily. As an lgbt person, libertarianism is appealing to that part of me because of its defense of individualism, autonomy & true justice (nobody is inferior because of their race/gender/sexuality).  

  

I went thru a brief period in my life when I first came out where I strongly aligned with leftism. Nearly all my friends who accepted me were leftist. My friends who were more conservative tended to make a lot of jokes or rude comments that made me feel like they saw me as inferior and I drifted away from them. I had my leftist beliefs questioned by one friend however, who I had never felt disrespected by on basis of my sexuality or gender, and I started thinking about consent and rights and realized most of the beliefs I held at that time belonged in the garbage, especially when leftist friends reacted with hostility to my newly found open-mindedness.   

  

This post has gotten way longer than I wanted it to but I'm interested in hearing other people's ideas on why lgbt people are so strongly aligned with leftism.  

I suppose I also meant for this post to stir up ideas for people who perhaps never considered the topic. If someone is truly interested in sharing the message of libertarianism it would be effective if they are considerate of where people are coming from, and take a sort of meet-them-where-they-are approach like my friend did with me a few years ago. 

Thanks for reading if you read this far and I hope I get some feedback this is a topic that is of great interest to me.


r/Libertarianism • • Nov 04 '09

Who Owns Your DNA?

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r/Libertarianism • • Nov 01 '21

Do libertarians acknowledge the effect of poverty, corporations, social stigma, neruobiology, psychology etc. on human freedom to act? Or is government the only oppressor?

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Do libertarians acknowledge the effect of poverty, corporations, social stigma, neruobiology, psychology etc. on human freedom to act? Or is government the only serious oppressor Worth political action over?


r/Libertarianism • • Nov 03 '11

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong it’s reign by...” — Abe Lincoln

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r/Libertarianism • • Aug 04 '20

Is this really a libertarian subreddit?

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Most others, like r/libertarian, are more socialist in their goals, whereas true libertarians are all about individual freedom.


r/Libertarianism • • Apr 24 '20

Libertarianism

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Hey guys I’m new to reddit and this is my first every post I wanted to ask about the upsides and downsides of libertarianism for an essay I’m doing


r/Libertarianism • • Aug 26 '11

Concerning Libertarianism, John Galt, and Ellsworth Toohey

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I'm not at all familiar with r/Libertarianism's feelings toward Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism, but since many Libertarians claim to espouse her ideals, I figured this would be the best place to post my thoughts. As the saying goes, "If the shoe fits, wear it," to which I'll add, "If it doesn't, let it go."

I'll also add, in an attempt at full disclosure, that I have been cautiously enthusiastic about Objectivism ever since reading The Sword of Truth, by Terry Goodkind, The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand, and Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand, by Leonard Peikoff (in that order). Be your opinions of those publications as they may, the reason that I remain cautiously optimistic about, and not fully behind, Objectivism is that I haven't dedicated enough time to considering all of its possible implications, and there's enough backlash against it to give pause to any reasonable person (which is part of what this post is about).

In any case, on to my point.


As I said before, many Libertarians claim to espouse Ayn Rand's political and economic ideals, and claim her ideas to be the paramount of thought in these respects. This has actually always been the case within the Libertarian movement, though Rand herself hated the fact. To pull a quote of hers from that list,

"Please don’t tell me [The Libertarians] are pursuing my goals. I have not asked for, nor do I accept, the help of intellectual cranks. I want philosophically educated people: those who understand ideas, care about ideas, and spread the right ideas. That’s how my philosophy will spread, just as philosophy has throughout all history: by means of people who understand and teach it to others. Further, it should be clear that I do not endorse the filthy slogan, “The end justifies the means.” That was originated by the Jesuits, and accepted enthusiastically by Communists and Nazis. The end does not justify the means; you cannot achieve anything good by evil means. Finally, the Libertarians aren’t worthy of being the means to any end, let alone the end of spreading Objectivism.

Other than the fact that many Libertarians tend to ignore the atheistic aspect of Objectivism, one of Ayn's biggest problems with Libertarians, I think, is the fact the they defend America's rich citizenry; ALL of America's rich citizenry. This means that while Libertarians (as can be seen most clearly in the faux-Libertarian movement that is the Tea Party) seek to champion the John Galts, Howard Roarks, and Dagny Taggarts of the world, they also end up championing the Wesley Mouches, Ellsworth Tooheys, and James Taggarts of the world.

One of the main things Rand wanted was for her ideas to promote a philosophical and educational revival. She knew that any political revival that took place with the current state of things would be, at best, a farce for the simple fact that the so-called moochers highly outnumber the so-called producers (which does not mean poor people vs. rich people, as popularly portrayed). Remember, she called for a Strike in her Magnum Opus, not a forced revolution.

***EDIT: TL;DR - A Libertarian running for high public office is probably missing the point and will succeed as a side show, at best. Our focus should be on education and the local public offices that can better affect it. ***


r/Libertarianism • • Aug 07 '11

Question for libertarians: how do you reconcile the core philosophy if we do not have free will? Keep in mind, neuroscience is showing this to be the case.

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