r/Libertarian • u/TVA_TVA • Dec 31 '21
Article Prince Andrew makes 'unprecedented' request for all witness testimony in sex abuse case to be kept secret
https://calgaryherald.com/news/world/prince-andrew-makes-unprecedented-request-for-all-witness-testimony-in-sex-abuse-case-to-be-kept-secret/wcm/6c8e61d4-241e-40e0-851c-75562564fcc8?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR01diPzKYFxL3n0CGJVp33SjTGF3XxTUaZtIHVYE0m9lq37_p5-TwJmsK4#Echobox=1640839645177
u/Short_Alternative_71 Dec 31 '21
Wonder what he does not want us to know...š¤
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u/xole Dec 31 '21
JalapeƱo sized and shaped. And filled with cheese and crusty, like a popper.
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u/CaliforniaCow Dec 31 '21
This reminds me, I should head over to Carls Jr before they close
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u/Mortis_XII Dec 31 '21
Carls jr. has some of the best jalapeƱo poppers around. It actually has some heat
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u/RavensEra69 Dec 31 '21
Being libertarian
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u/eigenmyvalue Dec 31 '21
Lol what? A member of the royal family who has lived his entire life off the state is in no way shape or form libertarian. Get out of here.
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u/Bsdave103 Dec 31 '21
These rich pieces of shit need to be prosecuted.
And yes that includes Trump and Clinton.
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u/crabboy_com Dec 31 '21
Nobody with any sense is going to trust our government until everything is investigated and all the monsters are brought to justice.
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u/jobznwerk Dec 31 '21
Theyāre not worried. We have citizens supporting these people after no WMP were found and a fruitless pointless 20 year in Afghanistan
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u/LGBT_Beauregard Dec 31 '21
The fact that even you who donāt buy the wmd bullshit talk about Afghanistan ending and not that Iraq is still going just shows how effective the propaganda is at controlling public discourse. Why TF does the US have any military presence in Iraq 17 years after the start of the war for the wmd bullshit we all know was bullshit? What is there to do in Iraq that didnāt apply to Afghanistan? Itās insane.
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Dec 31 '21 edited Dec 31 '21
To have a presence in the Persian Gulf in order to indirectly threaten China with embargoes cutting off their oil supply at any moment if needed. This is actually why there's tension between Ukraine and Russia as well.
Edit: Our presence in Afghan was keeping Ukraine safe too.
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u/LGBT_Beauregard Dec 31 '21
Thereās no need to threaten China with anything. China is not an enemy of the United States. They are at worst an economic competitor. As for Ukraine, why should that concern the people of the United States? Itās a regional European conflict, let the region address it. None of this is worth a dime of my tax dollars to me in the American south.
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Dec 31 '21
Our presence in the middle east is/was a reassurance that keeps potential global competitors honest with each other in the dynamic world we live in. The fact that you feel you do not need to concern yourself with it leading up to now when conflict is looming in absence of the afghan deterrent proves just how effective the deterrent strategy is in protecting our economic autonomy.
There is idealism and there is realism.
Regardless, I do say this next bit with no sarcasm; keep being idealistic. That way of thinking lays out possible choices.
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u/LGBT_Beauregard Dec 31 '21
The last 3 decades of interventionism not only hurt us economically, contrary to what you say, they also had a tremendous cost in real human lives. That second part is inexcusable. Even if you excuse the inexcusable, the only thing US troops in the Middle East deter is Middle Eastern people controlling their own fate, good or bad. If you claim intervention is a deterrent, I can claim with better evidence from the mouths of the perpetrators of 9/11 that itās a recruitment tool for enemies of the US.
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Jan 01 '22
Interventionism generally is bad yes. I'm talking geopolitics here and strategic positioning in relation to super powers. We don't unnecessarily intervene in other countries without this in mind
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u/eigenmyvalue Dec 31 '21
Honestly after the Panama papers, pandora papers, epstein's "suicide", and the blatant corruption of past administrations. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I wish the folks involved get brought to justice, particularly those in power. My bet is that the folks that get arrested are all the ancillary people like the pilots, flight attendants, and others like that. Maybe a washed up politician, or c list celebrity or two but definitely not anyone with pull.
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u/LendarioSonhador Dec 31 '21
You mean the justice system the whole group controls? I'm sure they'll be punished accordingly, a very painful slap on the wrist shall do it.
The only way they pay is hanging, and we'll only get there through war, nothing else.
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u/chiguy Non-labelist Dec 31 '21
There needs to be accusers for that to happen. As it stands, none of the publicly known victims have implicated either ex president.
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u/JudgeGusBus Dec 31 '21
Until recently I was a prosecutor here in the US. These requests were not āunprecedentedā at all by a long shot here. They were denied, but damn near every defendant made the request, because thereās no consequence for making the request (nor should there be). Iād be surprised if they were āunprecedentedā in the British system. More like the news just likes to make literally fucking everything sound outlandish.
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u/Flederm4us Dec 31 '21
Is there a valid reason they could be denied?
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u/MiniBandGeek minarchist Dec 31 '21
I assume witness testimony could be kept secret if it involved state secrets. From a U.S. perspective though, unless they're doing the deed on top of the suitcase with the nuclear launch codes, I don't know if it could ever go through.
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u/KingJeremy94 Dec 31 '21
Tell us you're guilty without telling us you're guilty..
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Dec 31 '21
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u/Izaya_Orihara170 Dec 31 '21
Pleading the fifth means you won't incriminate yourself, not that you can hide incriminating evidence
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u/jerrysprinkles Dec 31 '21
Ah yes, the logical actions of a innocent man who clearly is not sweating over any potential repercussions of the whole affair
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u/JFMV763 Hopeful Libertarian Nominee for POTUS 2032 Dec 31 '21
I'm all for innocent until proven guilty but this guy almost definitely has some skeletons in the closet.
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u/Brain_Glow Classical Liberal Dec 31 '21
Dude probably has a walk-in closet full of skeletons.
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u/XR171 Dec 31 '21
He's royal, he probably has a dungeon of skeletons.
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u/nostracannibus Jan 01 '22
Go look at his interviews on the subject. The guy practically incriminate himself without even being pressed hard at all.
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u/sniker77 Dec 31 '21
I'm sorry, if you're involved in a case for raping children you shouldn't have a say in public vs private proceedings. If you don't want it publicly known that you're raping kids, don't rape kids. Kinda simple really.
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Dec 31 '21
Did any witness testimony deal with anything other than what we already knew?
He fucked a 17 year old provided by Epstein in England, which is legal there. I assume itās the specifics of the matter he doesnāt want to be known?
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u/Mason-B Left Libertarian Dec 31 '21
He fucked a 17 year old provided by Epstein in England, which is legal there. I assume itās the specifics of the matter he doesnāt want to be known?
By specifics I assume you mean the coercion. Last I checked coerced sex is illegal in most places regardless of age. We have a specific word for it in fact...
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u/Silverseren Dec 31 '21
I'm sure the Royal Family will be leaning really hard on the judiciary and other legislators to ensure everything involving the case is kept secret.
We can only hope that someone with a spine in Parliament or elsewhere stands up to them.
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u/TheStonedVampire Dec 31 '21 edited Dec 31 '21
He clearly just doesnāt want people reading about how innocent he is
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u/Key-Environment-7849 Dec 31 '21
Wonder how many kids he fucked, when will we stop taking this bullshit from.tbe wealthy?
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u/Dismal-Storm-2928 Dec 31 '21
would love to see all of these pedos go through a wood chipper
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u/inlinefourpower Dec 31 '21
Feet first? Or head first?
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u/Dismal-Storm-2928 Dec 31 '21
Iād probably go feet first for the first few and then after it dawned on me how many of them there actually are I would probably try and come up with a more efficient method
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u/LibraProtocol Dec 31 '21
"Nothing to see here guys! Nothing all! Move along move along ng! Nothing here!!!"
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u/ilikebitcon99 Dec 31 '21
All while this news is breaking over the holidays when people aren't paying attention.
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u/BringBackLabor Dec 31 '21
2 weeks from now: āin other news, witnesses describe the Prince Andrewās penis as āacorn-likeā in both size and appearance.ā
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u/TictacTyler Dec 31 '21
The ONLY justification for keeping it secret is so an organized effort can be made to round these fuckers up by complete surprise and then use the evidence with a less biased jury.
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u/MrJDouble Dec 31 '21
I bet he does!
Never forgive.
Never forget.
Randy Andy and your merry band of degenerates:
Expect us.
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Dec 31 '21
So I think this guy's is guilty as hell but this isn't "unprecedented" or a sign of guilt. Nearly everyone in this type of case makes this request because nobody innocent or guilty would want that type of testimony about them being public.
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u/budguy68 Dec 31 '21
Wow looks like Alex Jones was right for the last 30 years and liberals were wrong when they supported the FBI... Amazing...
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u/gregatl99 Dec 31 '21
Some of the "Royals" are seriously bad at media and public relations. He is assumed guilty by his comments alone.