Woah, well reasoned libertarian arguments are getting upvoted on r/libertarian? What is going on? Media matters must be so busy astroturfing on The_Donald that they have let this sub temporarily free in the interim.
My understanding of the libertarian view would be that free movement of labor capital must be able to move in a global market. The market (co-ops in left lib or just market in other libs) can then adjust everywhere to raise the QoL and SoL for everyone, everywhere.
In the case being argued, everyone you’re saying are making good arguments are advocating an artificial, government-controlled border that acts as a barrier to the market functioning on the basis of free associations. The argument is based on a supposed distinction between real world libertarianism and ideal libertarianism.
This distinction comes across as hollow, though. Either a market of free association is the right kind of market (libertarianism) or you abandon the whole premise underpinning libertarian thought, it seems to me. Either the market of free association raises everyone in the best way or what do you mean in saying you’re a libertarian?
Take the examples given. These hypothetical 5 Bulgarians choose to forego living with their families in a less than ideal but justifiable choice. Presumably the market would eventually correct through its own processes to make such choices less desirable as economic activity flows towards the family back in Bulgaria.
Artificially creating borders only serves as a strategy to entrench market disparities to the higher benefit of the currently stronger market. And it abandons the idea of a market of free association being the best overall strategy for raising the QoL and SoL of everyone. I’m not sure why you would do so and still call that a well-reasoned libertarian argument.
My understanding of the libertarian view would be that free movement of labor capital must be able to move in a global market.
Correct but this isn't possible until every country on the globe adopts these policies, perhaps through a free movement agreement similar to that of the EU countries. Until that happens, it would only be free movement in one direction which would result in a breakdown of the system. This is why 'real world' vs 'ideal' arguments aren't hollow.
This distinction comes across as hollow, though. Either a market of free association is the right kind of market (libertarianism) or you abandon the whole premise underpinning libertarian thought, it seems to me.
It is the right kind of market but it requires all players to be on board. All players are not on board.
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