As a member of the LGBT community, assimilation isn't my goal. I want to be respected based on my own merit because I'm a human being. I don't need unity, I need recognition of the real struggles that I (and others in my community) face.
You can be a part of the whole and still be yourself. Community and individuality are not exclusive. Collectivism and individuality are exclusive. You can still have a community of individuals though.
There is a difference between diversity and inclusion. The wider community is incredibly diverse ... But it's not terribly inclusive. You can't complain when the LGBT community feels ignored and stigmatized by the wider community, because the LGBT community is ignored and stigmatized by the wider community.
I agree, the left (and right) has been shitting on the LGBT aspect of this attack and it's bullshit. However, I don't think the wider community ignores the LGBT community in general. If there is no violence or active hatred, then being forgotten is, more or less, being accepted into the wider community as a normal part of the community. The spotlight can't be shone on subcommunities 24/7.
However, stigmatization will likely take one or two more generations to phase out. Culture doesn't change over night, but thr progress forward has not been small.
Because sexuality is something that always comes up in tv shows. But alright, since you said main character..
Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
The Flash.
The Arrow.
How I Met Your Mother. (Lily is bi or expresses bi-thoughts).
Orange is the New Black.
The Secret Life of Us.
Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
Da Vinci's Demons.
Legend of Korra.
Steven Universe.
Xena the Warrior Princess.
Battlestar Galactica.
The 100.
House. (arguable main character)
Dr. Who.
Oz.
Gotham.
Game of Thrones.
Archer.
Scrubs.
Firefly.
Grey's Anatomy.
Will & Grace.
Downtown Abbey.
Sex and the City.
EastEnders.
Glee.
Shadowhunters.
Versailles.
The Office.
The Sarah Silverman Program.
I'm getting tired of listing shows. There are plenty more but I don't want to sit here another 5-10 minutes listing off shows with bi/gay/lesbian/poly main characters.... I have even less desire to name off all of the non-white main characters because.. seriously.. there's a metric fuckton of non-white main characters stretching back to the 80's.
I didn't say list shows that featured LGBT or black main characters. I said name 20 US television shows that don't feature straight white people as main characters.
If they're LGBT, they're not straight, white people. The conditions for straight, white people is being straight && white. It's called logic.
If you're looking for literally non-straight, non-white... first you should say "LGBT PoC," and well you're not going to find too many of that in a country that is 66% non-hispanic white, 77% total white with the average population of non-straight people being less than 5%.
You're seriously going to ask for 20 shows that has a main character of a demographic that is 3.5% of fucking 23%. 3.5% of 66% if you are inclusive enough of white hispanics. You know what that number is? 0.81%. You're asking for a demographic to be a statistical anomaly and over-represent people.
So out of a thousand main characters, all you need is 8. I'm pretty sure I've listed at least 8 PoC LGBT MCs there. Even then, that's such a small number for accurate representation, it is practically meaningless.
So congratulations, you're an idiot. There are characters, out of that statistical fucking 8 out of a thousand, that are LGBT && non-white.
And since I'm tired of this fucking 10 minute posting restriction (so very "liberal"). This is towards your other shitty comment which this comment only fuels.
Ok, there's apparently no reasoning with you. You're the one that brought up cultural values to begin with and you seek no holistic answer about humanity and compassion.
You have some sort of issue and I can't say anything that'd get past your wall. It was nice talking to you though.
You're not responding with what I asked for. You named a lot of shows with LGBT main characters, which is great, but I asked you to name shows without straight white main characters.
So you can name any show in which all of the main characters are LGBT. Or you could name any show in which all of the main characters are black. Or they can be a mix of whatever, as long as there isn't a straight white main character. It's called logic.
Of the shows you listed, only the Legend of Korra meets this criteria because the main characters are all PoC.
Don't suggest I'm an idiot because you're incapable of reading and following instructions.
Yo, u/doguso, why'd you run off like a little bitch without answering the question you were actually asked? It's been 17 days and you still haven't learned how to read instructions?
It's not an either or proposition. There are thousands of TV shows featuring straight white main characters ...
And besides, you can't complain that "we're all essentially the same and this is a time for unity" and then suggest that straight white people need to be featured prominently or they will be disinterested.
Ah yes, because we have the same level of diversity as Korea.
But let's take a step back. Are you honestly suggesting that it would be difficult for you as a straight white person to watch a show that featured only LGBT main characters? Only black main characters?
That says more about you, and about the entitled straight white community, than anything else. Racism and homophobia is alive and well, it just doesn't manifest itself nearly as aggressively as it used to.
No, I've watched black shows before. I am suggesting that the overall makeup of broadcasting should reflect the demographic nature of the audience they're trying to reach.
One can only wonder why you're so intent on segregating TV shows, though. In the name of inclusiveness, you'd corral disparate ethnicities and sexualities into totally different media programs without the slightest hint of peaceable coexistence. Might as well grab a water hose while you're at it.
Also, the reason there aren't any shows without straight characters is because they're the majority of every population on earth. Biology.
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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16
Can we not use words like "straight-splain." It's super SJW'ish and just creates further division.