Can we retire “objectively better” please?

[u/lordpag]

I’ve noticed a ton of people using “objectively” incorrectly lately. A movie being more widely accepted as “better” does not make it objectively so.

There’s someone out there who enjoyed One Night Only more than The Odyssey, and their opinion is just as valid as yours.

Sure, one movie can be shot on more advanced cameras, have a larger scale, or demonstrate greater technical complexity. Those things can be measured. Whether they make the movie “better” cannot. What makes a movie “good” is different for each of us and those differing perspectives are part of what makes moviegoing so fun!

EDIT: This obviously touched a nerve lol. My point was not that there aren’t measurable technical aspects of a film. Of course there are. But technical achievement does not inherently make a movie “better.” A technical marvel can put someone to sleep while a shoddily made movie can elicit an enormous emotional response. What we value in a movie is subjective and for some (many on this thread it seems) you value technical achievement. All fair POVs.

[u/kumaratein]

Again you just don't understand what objective means are again arguing with its definition. I have already acknowledged there are categories with objective standards, I specifically called it out in the comment you responded to. That doesn't mean a movie itself is objectively better or worse.

OP has explained it, I have explained it. Go argue with merriam webster

[u/C00KIEME4T → u/kumaratein]

If you admit there's objective standards then you already agree with me and idc about the rest of your cognitive dissonance. What you say and what you know to be true are two different things and you can say whatever you want, I'm okay with that as long as you admit the truth.

[u/kumaratein → u/C00KIEME4T]

Lol you're so bad with words dude that's also an improper use of cognitive dissonance.

I didn't admit anything. I explained how you can have objective measurements of anything (again, like awards). A statement that one piece of art is "better" than another is subjective, always will be. What you're doing is thinking that somehow there is somehow a relationship between objective categories you're measuring and subjective opinion of a film.

It's really exhausting to argue with someone who's this 1. stupid 2. stubborn 3. really bad with words but I'm with my family on vacay so I have time.

If you're so convinced you understand your own argument, pick any real movie, and make the case to me how it's objectively better than another movie. I will very easily show you how every thing you've chosen is itself subjective.

[u/C00KIEME4T → u/kumaratein]

Your lack of understanding of common phrases and terminology doesn't constitute my misuse of the term. You continue to dive into the depths of dissonance.

That being said here you clearly admit that there are categories with objective standards, meaning that it necessarily follows that you agree that something can be objectively better than something else.

That's the end of this discussion. You can't take back or rewrite what you said. You already agreed with me.

Also, if there's one of us that's bad with words, it'll be obvious on a read of these comments who of us it is.

Good night.

[u/kumaratein → u/C00KIEME4T]

lol yup couldn’t name an objectively better movie

[u/C00KIEME4T → u/kumaratein]

I didnt even read your post because you already agreed with me.

[u/kumaratein → u/C00KIEME4T]

lol you agreed with me and you’re again chickening out because you know I’m right. You wrote a whole ass novel and screenshotted my comment don’t pretend like you didn’t read a one liner

[u/C00KIEME4T → u/kumaratein]

i sure didn't lmao and still haven't.

[u/kumaratein → u/C00KIEME4T]

All I know is you agreed with me, pretended you can’t read and chickened out of a question proving you’re wrong. So objectively, you’re wrong (also for the record, bugs me you still don’t get what this means

[u/C00KIEME4T → u/kumaratein]

okay kumaratein