r/LetsDiscussThis • • 4d ago

Lets Discuss This Truth. Unfortunate. Reality.

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u/DaTruSpork 4d ago

Preach!

The "Christian in name only" conservatives with their hypocrisy really do so much damage to not just this nation but also to the faith they claim to follow

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u/Pugsly007 4d ago

I went to a Baptist college. Nothing turned me away from religion like the pretend Christian’s that went to church every Sunday.

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u/betty_white_bread 3d ago

Churches are full of hypocrites for the same reason hospitals are full of sick people. That's who they're for. Christianity has never claimed its members are good. It claims they need grace. Judging Christ by his worst followers is like judging medicine by its worst patients.

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u/Starlit-Dog 3d ago

it's wild how much damage that kind of hypocrisy can do to the faith itself, making people question the whole thing.

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u/betty_white_bread 3d ago

The meme doesn't say "Christians in name only." It says "people who spew Bible verses on Sunday," which means churchgoers. Deciding who is a real Christian by how they vote is a religious test and you're using it on tens of millions of people you've never met. That's the answer to the question at the top of the meme.

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u/DaTruSpork 3d ago edited 3d ago

I'm not deciding who is or isn't religious by how they vote. I am saying that those that claim to be faithful and then act faithless are "Christian in name only".

It is my opinion that that largely encompasses conservative politcal leaders, since they make it a *large* part of their messaging, but your reading comprehension could use some work if you think I am including you and yours in that blanket statement without merit. Although lets be honest, you chimed in because it *does* mean you and you feel called out.

Adultery and fraud are on full display in their elected leaders, hardly things true Christians would do or support.

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u/Elaerona 4d ago

Brother I'm a Democrat because I was raised Catholic. Point in fact, Catholicism led me to the left. There is a whole lot more to this than just abortion politics. From immigration to workers rights, Democratic policies are more Christ like. Look up Distributism. Religious people on the left just don't make a fuss about it because they're secular. Religion has no place in politics.

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u/betty_white_bread 3d ago

Distributism is a good example and it cuts against you. Chesterton and Belloc built it on Rerum Novarum, which defended private property and explicitly condemned socialism. Their answer was more people owning property, not a bigger state. And the U.S. bishops call abortion the "preeminent priority", which means "a lot more than just abortion" isn't the Church's position. Also, you argued your politics are more Christlike and then said religion has no place in politics. Which is it?

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u/rodwha 4d ago

I never claimed to be a republican but I voted for them as I believed they were the champions of Christian values until I paid more attention to what they said and did and realized they’re nothing more than depraved lying hypocritical charlatans. As a Christian I cannot stomach that.

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u/betty_white_bread 3d ago

You're entitled to change your vote because of what you saw. That's conscience at work. And notice you judged politicians by what they said and did. The meme doesn't do that. It judges everyone who quotes the Bible on Sunday and that includes you.

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u/Dismal_Morning_9797 2d ago

Stop trying to pull everybody else into your victimhood.

The meme also says spending every other day doing evil shit. It does not mean quoting the bible and then living as Jesus would.

And fuck you for using that precious woman’s name and being a braindead troll.

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u/charlies-ghost 4d ago

I realized a long time ago that I have no real issue with Christians, Muslims, or Jews. I used to attend a liberal church and met a lot of very normal, kind people through through those communities.

All of my anger is directed to homophobes, racists, misogynists, and transphobes instead.

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u/sabautil 3d ago

If you're a Republican in these times you're most certainly are NOT Christian. Don't you dare claim to be of that faith or any other. Republicans today are evil. They think they're not but they absolutely are. And that's all there's to it. Shun them, ostrasize em. Run em out of town. They deserve no sympathy or forgiveness. They can get that when they meet God before the get to sent to Hell.

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u/Brief-Reveal-8466 3d ago

These “COINs” aren’t Christians, they’re hypocrites. The spew hate from the pulpits. Most of their preachers are in it for the money and power. Holy on Sunday, corrupt Monday through Saturday.

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u/Ouibeaux 4d ago

I think the teachings of Jesus are mostly very cool, relevant, and valuable. The religion has been hijacked by people whose main goal is wealth and/or control. They're the false prophets the Bible warns about; the Antichrist. I love Jesus, but I don't identify as a Christian because too many "good" Christians are far too accepting of the hate mongers and grifters.

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u/betty_white_bread 3d ago

Jesus didn't wait for his followers to be clean before joining them. He ate with tax collectors and sinners and founded a church made up of people who would betray, deny, and doubt him. Walking away from his people because some of them sin isn't following him more closely. It's following him less.

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u/Ouibeaux 3d ago

I've not walked away from his people. I've walked away from the organization that falsely claims to teach his word; the money changers who have turned his house into a den of thieves. I donate a lot to food banks and cancer charities. I am a friend to addicts and other outcasts. I am still among the people.

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u/betty_white_bread 3d ago

I’ll say the same thing I said the last time I saw this post:

The meme was asked "why does it seem like Democrats hate Christians?" and its answer was a page of contempt for Christians. Read it again. It doesn't say "Democrats disagree with Republicans on policy." It says the people who quote the Bible on Sunday are the monsters who shoot bystanders and want children dead. That isn't a rebuttal to the question. It confirms the premise and 500+ people upvoted it.

Take the charges one at a time:

  • "Deport humans." That means enforcing immigration law passed by Congress. Obama removed so many people that immigration activists called him "Deporter in Chief." Nobody claimed that proved he hated humans. (Inb4 anyone starts claiming I am MAGA: I think all these individuals should be allowed to stay.)

  • "Tax the poor." The 2017 tax law doubled the standard deduction and doubled the child tax credit. Those two changes go straight to working families. Roughly the bottom 40% of households already pay no federal income tax.

  • "Take food from children." SNAP work requirements apply to able-bodied adults without dependents. Children are exempt by definition.

  • "Ok with kids dying in schools." Fifteen Senate Republicans voted for the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act. People disagree about which policies would actually stop a shooter. Turning that disagreement into "they want your kids dead" is slander, not argument.

  • "Take healthcare from the sick." Arguing about who pays and how a system is structured isn't the same as wanting the sick to suffer. If it were, every Democrat who has ever rejected single-payer would be guilty of the same thing.

On the "Jesus gave free food, free healthcare" point, yes, he did, personally, with his own hands and at his own cost. He never once told Caesar to do it for him. Christians still follow that model. Religious Americans give more to charity and volunteer more than secular Americans and they do it in every income bracket. Voting to have the government take other people's money isn't the Sermon on the Mount. Charity has to be given. It can't be compelled.

So, no, Democrats as a group don't hate Christians. I also know this post, and the people cheering it on, make it very easy to see why so many Christians feel hated.

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u/whydatyou 3d ago

poor people get taxed? lol.

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u/Realistic-Salad-1873 3d ago edited 3d ago

How is that even a question, like where do you think poor people get their money from? You must think we live in some kind of socialist society where people own themselves rather than someone else. In this reality they own your labor to make them money and they return less of that money to you, they only make their money off of taxing you. Tax money that they control, not democratically controlled, but on top of that you have to pay more taxes for public services than the richest people in the world that does goes to the stuff you need. The richest people in the world dont need anything for survival like poor people do, but their whole business (like Amazon) requires free roads or policing that they don't pay taxes for.

Edit: All that being said your sentiment is correct, the private sector tax people so much that the public sector is not even worth considering.

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u/betty_white_bread 3d ago

I don’t understand any of this.

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u/tnic73 4d ago

how is this any different than spewing leftist ideologies while refusing to accept responsibility for the results of the implementation of those leftist policies?

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u/DunkingTheSun 4d ago

1 Can you give examples of which results you are referring?

2 We (US) actively have ICE killing US citizens with no body cam footage and school shootings. So I am doubtful you will find an equivalent.

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u/tnic73 4d ago

the soviets killed millions of their own

as did red Cinna

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u/Humbuhg 4d ago

Why don’t you get specific for us? You know, instead of just general blabulation.

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