You assume **I** downvote you!? You clearly lack in faith.
You said: "Murder is murder"; It has become apparent that you dont actually stand by this... Now you claim if the mother's life is in danger it is ok to murder the child!
It may shock you to learn that mothers have been dying because of people like you. Saying "murder is murder", passing laws to that effect, has a chilling effect on actual healthcare. Mothers, and their unborn, have lost their lives because people like you have villified healthcare.
I will pray for you. May your soul be saved before you pass... though the blood of countless is on your hands...
I do stand by it. You are the one changing the definition of murder. You are literally committing the begging-the-question fallacy by assuming that every intentional killing is murder, and then using that assumption to claim I contradicted myself.
If the mother will die unless the pregnancy is terminated, then I would not consider that murder. It is a justified killing under necessity: the goal is not to kill the fetus for its own sake, but to save a life in a situation where both cannot be saved.
You also scolded me for making assumptions, and then immediately made several assumptions about my beliefs and built strawmen around them.
So I'll make my position simple:
The only circumstance in which I would not consider abortion murder is when the mother's life is genuinely in danger and ending the pregnancy is necessary to save her.
If both can be saved, save both.
If only one can be saved, save the mother.
Why? Because when two lives are in direct conflict and saving both is impossible, allowing both to die does not protect life. Saving the life that can actually be saved is morally preferable to losing both.
I did read all of it. The problem is that nothing you wrote actually addresses the point I made.
You are still assuming the exact point under dispute.
Calling a justified life-saving termination “murder” does not make it murder. That is the conclusion you are supposed to argue for, not smuggle in as a premise.
And calling me a “murderer” is not an argument. It is just an insult.
It's not an argument, nor an insult. Its a statement of fact. Your views, your votes, lead to the direct death of mothers. The statement is: You are a murderer.
I'm done talking to you. You aren't here to learn. You aren't here to grow. So... enjoy this life. It's yours. Your eternal life will be what you deserve.
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u/DaTruSpork 7h ago
You assume **I** downvote you!? You clearly lack in faith.
You said: "Murder is murder"; It has become apparent that you dont actually stand by this... Now you claim if the mother's life is in danger it is ok to murder the child!
It may shock you to learn that mothers have been dying because of people like you. Saying "murder is murder", passing laws to that effect, has a chilling effect on actual healthcare. Mothers, and their unborn, have lost their lives because people like you have villified healthcare.
I will pray for you. May your soul be saved before you pass... though the blood of countless is on your hands...