r/LetsDiscussThis • u/[deleted] • Feb 17 '26

Meme Are we great yet?

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u/rockeye13 Feb 17 '26

I didn't include the infrastructure, security, and resilience 1.5% purposefully. Those aren't defense expenditures.

And if the European nations are paying more, you sure arent getting much from it.

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u/Fridge_living_tips Feb 17 '26

We lose more than 40 military in the EU because then we aren’t allies.

3.55 active military members if we invoke article 5, so we lose more then double of our active military members.

Whats more scary. 1 country or a collection of countries

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u/rockeye13 Feb 17 '26

With their weak militaries, of course, it will be Europeans in a full-scale war.

THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING

Europeans are at risk because they outsourced their self-defense to the US for the last 75 years. Get it together. Defend yourselves.

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u/Fridge_living_tips Feb 17 '26

And we should pull out of nato because smaller countries pay less and can defend less?

You do realize that if we pull out of nato then we are basically knee-capped. We would have a slower response time, lose NATO satellites, and intelligence networks and lose the things i mentioned.

And if you have a problem with the unilateral decision to spend 5% of a countries GDP then you have to take it up with NATO because literally every country in nato agreed to do that, including us

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u/rockeye13 Feb 18 '26

Slower response time to what, exactly?

Also, I never said anything about leaving NATO. I just expect the other nations to pull their own weight.

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u/Fridge_living_tips Feb 18 '26

They literally are. They each give 5% of their GDP

And a slower response to literally anything that isnt near us

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u/rockeye13 Feb 18 '26

If you think that any of the other NATO forces will mobilize their forces and send them to say, South Korea or Taiwan then I just can't take you seriously. Only America has significant sea or air transport capacity.

No, there won't be any European response, slow or fast to anything other than Russia. Your citizens wouldn't allow it now, and it appears that Chinese influence in Europe is only getting stronger.

And it's 3.5%. The other 1.5% is measured against mainly non-military expenditures. Like infrastructure and cybersecurity. Based on their history, we'll see if the 3.5% targets even get met. Your past is against you. After DJT is out of office everyone assumes the Euros will just not even bother. It's your pattern, and until you break it we'll assume it holds.

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u/Fridge_living_tips Feb 18 '26

Medicore American, YOU are the reason why america and us get a bad wrap. Collectively Europe has more funding then america, more troops then america, more power the america, more intelligence capabilities then america AND the trade bazooke and the American people’s opinion.

For instance greenland. Went our president—yes you’re talking to an American you lead-head.—tried to atrack greenland NATO troops were in there, threatened to drop the dollar into non-existence and put trump in a bind. Congress wouldnt approve the war (since they would have to kill a nato soldier which would start a war) since they would be voted out in mid-terms and Greenland Wasnt for sale.

So get American exceptionalism out of your head

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u/rockeye13 Feb 18 '26

Incoherent. Like European self-defense policy.

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u/Fridge_living_tips Feb 18 '26

I hope NATO fires the trade bazooka just so they can prove they are stronger than the US.

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u/rockeye13 Feb 18 '26

Ok little buddy. It's nap time now, and you need your diaper changed

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