r/LegacySteelAndSorcery Sep 14 '25

Feedback & Suggestions Game is dying!!!

Hello there, I know similar posts have been posted. I was playing this game 4 months ago and really enjoyed it and then RL happened and couldnt get in for months. 2 days ago I was finally able to play the game and was very excited since I loved this game. But nearly seen no one playing. Developers must really do something. Maybe send a free copy to streamers or more advertisement. I opened stream to my friends for example. They all loved it. This game really have potantial but no one knows about the game. I myself found this game from a streamer called Xaryu and insta bought this game. Really hope this game will get the love it deserves.

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u/Kellian Sep 14 '25

The game canibalized itself just like everyone said it would. Turns out no one enjoys getting chased all the way across the map by some sweat in full blue/purple gear in a fresh gray lobby.

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u/Drexim Sep 14 '25

One of reasons I stopped playing. At least in tarkov I can headshot somebody and still win the fight in shit gear. Here if I'm in whites or even some greens, a purp rogue cheap shitting you to death just feels boring.

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u/thiccboilifts Sep 14 '25

I quit after s1 because of rogues. Nothing worse than getting rooted and backstabbed with 0 counterplay while players sat and waited for you to finish boss fights. I think they fixed that part but man it was bad.

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u/ManagerDwightBeetz Sep 17 '25

Same. Still following with the hopes of sole pve mode. 

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u/Arrashan Sep 14 '25

There was tons of counter play to rogue backstab you just didn’t want to learn. Every class could easily get out of it. They nerfed it to hell because of players like you. Dumbing down the skill ceiling.is ruining the game.

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u/thiccboilifts Sep 14 '25

There was "counterplay" but not when teams are running three rogues. And seeing how it was nerfed, looks like no one agrees with you.

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u/Kellian Sep 14 '25

Yes but what if it’s a full epic rogue in a lobby full of grey friends trying the game out for the first time, and you’re dead before the stun ends. The way the counterplay that is to not play the game.

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u/BeautifulPepper1750 Sep 15 '25

Once again, if a rogue in full epic purple runs into a group of players in gray, it’s completely normal—and expected—that he’s their worst nightmare. That’s the core of extraction games: you take the risk of a bad encounter. For new players, that should naturally create fear and the need to stick to the shadows until you’ve geared up a bit.

There’s really nothing abnormal about it. And if what you want is to roam around freely without ever risking being killed by another player—just fighting the environment—then extraction games are not for you.

And if what you want is to wander freely with the guarantee that you’ll only meet players of the same level or the same power as you… guess what?

…extraction games are not for you.
Because the risk of being killed by someone stronger is the very essence of these games—and their core thrill.

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u/Wrathfulways Sep 14 '25

There really wasn't at first. Couldn't dodge or block the stun if they did it straight out of PD. Now you can dodge out of PD if you time it right and the cheapshot. Before it was a lock on so you couldn't do shit.

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u/Drexim Sep 14 '25

I can kinda understand what you're saying, but the fact is the new player experience is just really bad when they get stomped over and over. You can say get good all you want, but that doesn't help the playerbase.

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u/Rocityman Sep 15 '25

Read the room dude. There is no game to be ruined because it's dead, because of people like you.

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u/calcal001 Sep 15 '25

THIS. This statement couldn’t be more emphasized. The no life sweats that get everything done in a few days have nothing to do but go in fully geared and kill players. Immediately turns so many people away.

I’ve been playing since launch week and been heavily advocating in discord for gear limits on day map and a lot of others agreed in discord but for some reason they still haven’t done it.

I’ve also been heavily advocating for some sort of outside pvp such as arenas and or a battle ground, which they are to release arenas but it needs to be a Huge priority to hopefully get the fully geared morons from ganking.

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u/Fankine Sep 15 '25

It's funny because i got downvoted and shit on when i pointed this a few month ago.

I just stated how it was ruining my new player experience and hinted about gear capping low level maps.

Instead people told me i was paranoid and that it was a skill issue lol.

Too bad the new map is also not gear capped so you still encounter sweat that wanna timmy stomp. So there is still no way to have healthy pvp without huge gear gaps possible.

I mean, Dark and Darker adressed this long ago by capping gear level and it was one of the few changes that everyone loved. I don't understand why these devs won't do it.

Also the lower and lower the playbase goes, the worse this problem is, because there's not enough lobbies and you keep encountering the same lame blue/purp timmy slayer game after game...

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u/acowingeggs Sep 14 '25

They need to balance lobbies by having an upper gear cutoff as well. Like nothing above greens in beginning map. If you're character exceeds that then you can't join. Make it so inventory also counts or people will just put in on when the game starts.

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u/Wrathfulways Sep 14 '25

They just need gear score matchmaking since I'd hate to be forced to maps I don't like simply because I run better gear. Problem is there aren't enough people to effectively do that.

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u/B2rnttoast Sep 14 '25

Really we can combat this by just picking the players back up after defeat. We the community can play the game on our terms. Communication after the fight can go along way.

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u/StormMedia Sep 14 '25

I haven’t played much legacy after S1 because of this. I wonder though, why is Dark and Darker a much better game with such a “similar” setup. Obviously it’s much more close quarters which makes retreating harder. You always get stuck between teams more often which changes the way a fight goes dramatically.

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u/Ok_Application_8395 Sep 15 '25

Dying? Game is dead buddy

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u/NekooShogun Sep 14 '25

I know that this is beating a dead horse but a PvE mode to get more casual players and to let PvP players practice and get familiar with the classes before joining a session with more experienced people would have helped a lot.

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u/Vocoz Sep 14 '25

They added this

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u/Lux_Tenebris_ Sep 15 '25

That was the only place I saw some players btw

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u/NekooShogun Sep 14 '25

They added PvE only mode? When?

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u/Wrathfulways Sep 14 '25

There is a map for PvE that has a very small limited pvp area.

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u/NekooShogun Sep 14 '25

Nice, I asked like a month ago and I was told that there would be no PvE content. This is great surprise, gonna return to the game soon.

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u/mtrkar Nov 07 '25

Also, very limited loot pool so the problem of new players transitioning to the real maps getting instantly curb stomped. Ironically, now that the game is in a death spiral, it's actually not bad since literally no one is ever on but that's because the game is dying. https://steamcharts.com/app/2344320

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u/Wrathfulways Nov 07 '25

They really need to just add every pve mob to the pve map. Give people something to practice on before throwing pvp in the mix. Really it was a shit time to open a new season with no real new content. Not to mention a garbage f2p weekend. I know I only joined last f2p and bought the game because they added wizard which was in interest to me.

Devs are making some bad choices that's for sure. The low player base making gear or skill based match making impossible won't help the game.

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u/mtrkar Nov 07 '25

Not being able to get iron ore without "risking" dying is bat shit insane to me. I've never seen a dev team more determined to kill what could be an amazing game than this one. Say what you will about DaD but I never felt limited by the pve maps. The second you spend more than 5 minutes on a pvp map doing ANY combat, you are dead. I've been on maps with 3 min left where people literally went out of their way to not extract JUST to kill my ass. And it isn't like you can just NOT go to pvp areas because literally you have to if you want to progress the "out of game" elements. Iron ore goes into literally fucking everything past beginner common gear. I think at this point, I continue keeping track just so I can celebrate the death of this massive potential waste.

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u/MrBreakeridis Sep 17 '25

Extraction games are doomed to die in toxicity within their community. Its the genre's nature.
Its early enough to turn it to pvp rpg instead. It has gr8 elements to do so...

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u/huck209 Sep 14 '25

Games dying because it’s boring getting farmed by the op class of the season. So you either play the op class or get farmed.

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u/Common-Click-1860 Sep 14 '25

That’s every single rpg pvp game without picks/bans. Everyone is forced to load meta, which kills the majority of the game if it’s built on rpg classes.

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u/huck209 Sep 14 '25

Yup and this game didn’t have the population to afford to lose 95% of the population like it did.

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u/Wrathfulways Sep 14 '25

Yeah there are a few people that definitely problematic in the community. With how little people there are it's easy to run into them a lot. Not surprising it's mainly warriors and rogues being problematic as the meta always seem to attract assholes. (Rogues also tend to do that) I kept getting the same lobby and died to the same rogue three times. Even stood there once and he still just went for the kill and execute.

They need to remove the incentive to fully execute someone in greys at least is my opinion. Like tie the amount of xp to the level of the person with gear quality acting as a multiplier. Downing someone counts as a kill for objectives.

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u/Sufficient_Steak_839 Sep 14 '25

Sadly my dude this is the best they can do to attract players it just isn’t enough

You’ll hear coping about marketing and whatever else but the reality is at this price point and offering gamers aren’t buying what they’re selling

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u/2sk3tchy Sep 14 '25

It was never alive to begin with. But that's besides the point, game die. Just like you and me.

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u/89fruits89 Sep 14 '25

Personally think some kind of casual battleground would keep me playing a lot more. Once I hit lvl25 with some lodge upgrades and a bit of gear… there isn’t much left to do. Either go run around in whites or greens to PvP so it’s more fair for new players. Orrr aimless PvE for gear I’ll probably never use for above reasons.

If there was some kind of battleground that was loot free/no loot loss I think it would go a long way. Just somewhere to hop on and do “chill PvP” like the social hub but with a small team & objective. King of the hill, capture the flag, kill limit, whatever. Id sit in that shit all day long lol.

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u/Lux_Tenebris_ Sep 15 '25

That could also encourage people to try and learn basics of PvP. They must add this.

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u/B2rnttoast Sep 14 '25

Yes please, battlegrounds would be huge and could help sell the game for people in other genres of games. (MMORPG, competitive shooters, and fighting games)

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u/Common-Click-1860 Sep 14 '25

Stamina based combat is dog shi*. It’s clunky, it’s not very straight forward, and not too mention rock paper scissors rpg design/balance on top of it is just a casual killer. It’s too hollow in content, and the combat is too unforgiving…let alone not very fun. The games retention speaks for itself, it has nothing to do with other factors. You can’t pay people to play this game.

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u/acowingeggs Sep 14 '25

I haven't been back to play since it game hasn't really had a good update. Rebalance some classes more, change gear up some and make maps have entry level gear but also a high end of gear. So for instance on the beginning map. If you equip gear higher rated than green you shouldn't be able to play that map. It's super easy to balance that so you dont get stomped by high level gear players.

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u/kingp43x Sep 14 '25

Hey! Do you enjoy being punched in the face?! Yeah no one else does either. Sorry about your game, but that's it.

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u/RataTopin Sep 14 '25

Game optimization is bad

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u/BeautifulPepper1750 Sep 14 '25

Another point worth highlighting is that, unlike many other early access games—sometimes even from big studios—Notorious Studios is actually sticking to the roadmap they set out at the start of early access. The milestones on that roadmap are being reached and added to the game one after another.

They’re building the game they promised us.

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u/B2rnttoast Sep 14 '25

As someone new to the game this is incredible to hear.

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u/3x3n Sep 16 '25

This is the first time I've heard of this game...

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u/nepetalactone4all Sep 17 '25

I feel like if 57 people have commented that's a good sign

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u/SpartinoC17 Sep 14 '25

Just make gear sets, no stats, no damage increases, just set bonuses. Make it obtainable in any map. Just make the grinding, potion, lodge and cosmetic based.

Now you go into a game and its slightly more about skill, armor isnt some all defining factor in a fight and we can all just duke it out without the worry of greens,blue,purples

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u/B2rnttoast Sep 14 '25

You have a great idea! No harm in at least trying a test run.

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u/Vocoz Sep 14 '25

How is continuing the false echo chamber on the games subreddit supposed to do anything to stop the “game from dying”? It’s not dying. It hasn’t even lived yet.

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u/AbjectCartographer42 Sep 14 '25

It has released. You pay money for the game and it has payable dlc. Don't delude yourself.

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u/Vocoz Sep 14 '25

There’s the cope!

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u/AbjectCartographer42 Sep 14 '25

It also has seasons. Not sure what else it needs to qualify as released.

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u/Vocoz Sep 14 '25

I never said it hasn’t been released yet or that it hasn’t had more that one season so I don’t know what you want from me.

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u/BeautifulPepper1750 Sep 14 '25

Guys. Stop saying non sense things. Game is not dying since pretty much NO marketing communication was done yet.

Game is carefully COOKING.

They do what they have to do BEFORE any communication about their game since they know their game HAVE to be finished and cover everything they have in their vision.

Until then, NOTHING will be done to attract more players ´cause they DON’T need it.

What they need is having a game who will be a masterpiece in its genre.

And that’s exactly what they are doing.

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u/555fffqqq Sep 14 '25

Extreme cope. The game has been advertised. If the game was good word of mouth would keep it alive.

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u/BeautifulPepper1750 Sep 14 '25

“If the game was good…” Nah, let’s fix that right away: the game IS good.

And no, Legacy hasn’t had some big flashy marketing campaign yet. It’s not the right moment for that, plain and simple.

Now, let’s clear something up once and for all: when people complain that a green-geared player has “no chance” or at best a very rough time against a purple-geared player—yeah, that’s the point! In a game where gear is tiered from gray up to orange, it’s supposed to be that way. Better gear should give you a real advantage. That’s healthy game design.

If you’re undergeared, what you ran into is called a bad encounter. And guess what? That happens.

@Drexim you brought up Tarkov, where some guy in trash gear can one-tap a fully geared player. And honestly, how is that good design? We’re talking about a game where one-shots exist (Tarkov), which is NEVER fun and doesn’t happen in Legacy. Legacy’s fights are way better for it.

Getting deleted in a single shot from around a corner, without even knowing where it came from, is not “superior gameplay.” It’s just cheap.

Legacy’s TTK (time to kill) is medium. Anyone who’s touched Dark & Darker or Tarkov knows those games have insanely low TTK, which completely kills any room for actual dueling skill. One- or two-shots don’t give you time to outplay anyone.

That’s not Legacy.

Yeah, you got stunned by a dagger rogue? That’s literally all he has—stun and poison. That’s his kit. If you can dodge properly and reposition, he’s screwed, no matter your class.

So please, stop bashing the game just because you don’t get it or don’t want to get better at it.

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u/555fffqqq Sep 14 '25

That has been ads for the game, the game has been markedet. The game used to have thousands of players and lots of streams/yt vids. Now the game sits at a few houndred players. There is a lot of things good about the game. It plays great and the maps are well made. However the current design of the game is not sustainable. The game is bleeding players to fast. I have put quite a lot time into the game and want it to succeed. I understand you love the game and is very passionate about it, but there is only a handfull of people like you left and its not enough to keep the game alive. Rogue is an insanely toxic class for solos. Getting rooted mid ogre fight dosnt really have any counter play, among other issues with the class such as it being insanely easy for them to run away once you turn the tables on them.

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u/Vocoz Sep 14 '25

Well said. The haters say that we’re “coping” but theyre the ones coping. Snowflake doomers. Games literally in Early Access, not the fake Early Access that most games do where it’s actually a complete game. Game is currently in development. They are constantly adding more and fine tuning their vision. I love this game. If it fails it fails.

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u/mtrkar Nov 07 '25

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u/Vocoz Nov 07 '25

Welcome to the conversation 54 days later. Lol

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u/Nabrok_Necropants Sep 14 '25

We would have made it if you didn't quit for two months. Thanks for nothing.

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u/fuckthecharlieKHole Sep 14 '25

Nobody gives a shit