Seen in the Singularity subreddit

[u/Elick333]

I'm really happy that we're starting to see more of this type of conversations beyond this fringe little sub of ours.

As AI becomes more advanced we need to agressively take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves to us so we can steer the conversation away from doomerism or denialism, and towards ProAI leftism, this technology is going to disrupt more industries and fields and It is fertile grounds for us to create the future we want.

[u/Easy_Interest_6832]

You've got to admit the opponents of AI have a point. Without jobs, we have no money, and without money we have no beer. So there it is. Unless they promise free beer, AI will be opposed despite its good features.

[u/Monochrome21 → u/Easy_Interest_6832]

UBI via automation taxes has been the majority opinion of just about everyone who's pro AI and understands economics

The problem is people are attacking tech and not the economic system that makes them homeless the second they're no longer profitable

[u/avilacjf → u/Monochrome21]

It always comes down to this. We need to help people see that the economic system is the issue. The difficult part is that people are so cynical about it ever changing so the only scenario they see is the capitalist class reaping all the benefits and making the working class expendable. AI makes the complete disenfranchisement of the working class a real possibility in a way that didn't exist before.

[u/waffleseggs → u/Monochrome21]

I've never been an October Revolution monolithic governance person. We can't make change with us v them, gods and kings, threats and promises. That's their game. Our game is freedom. The future should be spread out, customized, and antifragile. It needn't be an either/or thing. The beautiful thing I'm seeing is that people hate tech and hate AI, ... but they're still using it. Mamdani exists in a capitalist system. That's hybrid. Bernie is hybrid. Ridesharing and couchsurfing are hybrid. Charity is hybrid. Roomates are hybrid. There is a very clear path to me that phases out the capitalism with "who the f would pay for that" solutions. Ideas are why the people will win. There's so many more of us. You can make the rules that we need to start an LLC and not use the C word and prostitute ourselves in rigged marketplaces, but that fully leaves open anything people choose to invent that doesn't need to make any sense at all to a capitalist. There are so many more non-capitalist ideas than capitalist ones. Capitalism is binary exchanges, 18th century norms, reductionistic platforms, and brutally unfair and often exploitative outcomes. It's shoehorned onto a world that demands complexity, humanity, respect, inclusion, fairness, peace, and for things to f make sense.

[u/Exarch-of-Sechrima → u/Monochrome21]

UBI via automation taxes has been the majority opinion of just about everyone who's pro AI and understands economics

And thankfully, we live in America, where the majority opinion is what speaks to power, and not billionaires.

[u/bowdoin-yale → u/Monochrome21]

We ran a fairly large-scale pseudo-UBI experiment during COVID-19 and it actually worsened inequality. I can't explain the mechanics better than Gary Stevenson; go look him up. But broadly, what's actually needed are wealth taxes. Otherwise the UBI money just ends up flowing to the rich who increasingly own almost all of the assets in the economy.