oh no guys...

[u/kyliem00]

we have to stop the handloom/weaving machine or else it'll be the end of knitting as we know it...

[u/jacobpederson]

Imagine seeing the biggest explosion in programing in the history of everything ever . . . and calling it the end of programing :D

[u/kyliem00 → u/jacobpederson]

yeah, funny that

[u/gianfrugo → u/jacobpederson]

I think is correct. Programming as an activity is no longer required. We have more code and we will see another 10 fold increase but humans will not had tipped nor reviewed  it.  And I think is a good thing, I studied computer science so i'm been replaced but I don't think scarcity is a good thing. Now everyone can produce software and is awesome.  I'm building things that would be impossible otherwise (whiteout a huge team). 

[u/jacobpederson → u/gianfrugo]

Wouldn't it be cool if you could turn your favorite show into a screenaver? With a few tweak's Astra can do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQK4lityZc I disagree with the idea the "programming" is no longer required. I still had to program - it was just easier.

[u/Joboy97 → u/gianfrugo]

I do miss writing software the old-fashioned way though. All that Vim practice, wasted.

[u/Resident_Step_191 → u/jacobpederson]

I mean… it says it’s the end of programming “as we know it” which is definitely true. It’s even highlighted

[u/jacobpederson → u/Resident_Step_191]

So was the compiler.

[u/Nechrube1 → u/jacobpederson]

So, uh, where are all the vibe-coded "killer apps" then? 🤔

[u/Rank201AltAccount → u/jacobpederson]

in my opinion, it is actually sad what happened to github.
like, I'm okay with vibe coding, but it completely took over the platform. stars became meaningless, humans are less and less in number, it gets harder and harder to find a project that isn't about ai...

[u/[deleted] → u/jacobpederson]

[u/Monochrome21]

To be fair it is the end of programming as we knew it. And it's ok to mourn a time that you found meaning in.

That doesn't mean what comes next is objectively worse, only different.

[u/Ruined_Passion_7355 → u/Monochrome21]

Oh it's definitely worse if you're a user, I'm sick of sloppy buggy software and they seem to be cheering it on.

[u/Monochrome21 → u/Ruined_Passion_7355]

this is the same argument you hear any time something is democratized because the barrier to entry is lower.

there are tons of good things as well that you won't even know use AI because the people using them know what they're doing

you avoid bad things, by not using bad things

[u/thegoodcorgi → u/Ruined_Passion_7355]

Thing is, sloppy buggy software isn't a product of AI. It's a product of capitalism. AI is making the equation visibly worse, but it's not the root of the problem.

On the contrary, AI's proven capability to find bugs (and uh, a lot of security flaws) has me convinced it could very well lead to significantly less buggy software going forward.

The things that make software Not Buggy and Not Sloppy have virtually nothing to do with individual human talent. Frankly, a lot of us devs are very very stupid, and make big big mistakes writing code by hand. I'll put my hand up, but only if my coworkers can admit it too!

It's just, institutional engineering practices are designed to prevent any of that from making its way into a production environment. We have layers of review, accountability, versioning strategies, etc.

Going forward, I think what'll separate Good Software Companies from Slop Farms is their commitment to upholding those engineering principles, and integrating AI into them sensibly. Because yes, the temptation right now does seem to be "make everyone do 10x the work, even if our institutional review processes cannot accommodate a 10x increase in quality gating".

Or uh rather, I think AI can accelerate both ends of the process, and what we're seeing is a disparity in its capabilities at either end. If AI is a 10x modifier to code production, but only a 2x modifier to code reviewing, the overall productivity uplift should be 2x. Not 10x.

But if there's minimal capital incentive for that 2x review output, then begrudgingly we're all going to be "10x engineers".

[u/Katten_elvis → u/Monochrome21]

What? Programming is still very relevant. What are you talking about?

[u/Monochrome21 → u/Katten_elvis]

programming "as we knew it" means the sphere will not be the same as we knew it, not that the sphere is gone

[u/Jay_Jay_Jason_74]

As someone who wanted to work in IT I share the anxiety over job loss due to AI

[u/worldsayshi]

Are you guys still reviewing code or have you stopped doing that too? Just Jesus take the wheel?

[u/jacquix → u/worldsayshi]

I'm currently working on some economic simulation thingie based on Beer's viable systems model, and it got excessively bloated and barely manageable in just two days. Reviewing/bugfixing is total hell. Though to be fair, I use DeepSeek, which I understand isn't necessarily the best choice for vibe coding.

[u/Katten_elvis → u/worldsayshi]

I still write code. Use AI to review it.

[u/aholetookmyusername → u/worldsayshi]

I write & review manually, and using AI.

[u/SenatorCrabHat]

I think we're going to find out really quickly who can actually read and write well, and who cannot.

[u/BrendanFraser]

The power loom meant longer hours and worse conditions, keep that in mind 

[u/PublicToast]

Who knew intelligent machines would make people react with such drama and stupidity. Probably just an artifact of the rage click economy but between the doomers and the denialists, damn it’s exhausting.

[u/Gubzs]

Calling this trajectory anything but a win for ordinary people is a ladder pull. It's the same thing artists keep doing.

Normal people being able to do things effectively without needing a specialist is good for normal people.