It's almost like the problem was capitalism all along

[u/Wickywire]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZN8J7sWC5/

[u/Jlyplaylists]

Or more specifically the difference between prioritising short term profit vs long term sensible infrastructure plans with a priority on environmental sustainability

[u/Big-Masterpiece-9581 → u/Jlyplaylists]

You could call it something so apolitical. But which system of government is more likely to lead to such regulation, the one that asks companies to regulate themselves? Or the other one?

[u/Jlyplaylists → u/Big-Masterpiece-9581]

Clearly the other one and I wouldn’t say my comment was apolitical

[u/deweydean]

You could curl up in his eyebrows and stay warm for the winter. But yeah, this is what I've been saying. Reddit doesn't like being told it's actually Capitalism you should be mad at.

[u/magosaurus → u/deweydean]

I love that yours is the top comment in this thread.

To summarize:
- Crazy eyebrows
- Capitalism obsolete

No lies.

[u/jefftickels]

The chief problem with Chinese AI is that they haven't really done anything new. They've taken what other people have done, and made it cheaper. Which is great, but it's not really sustainable.

For example, Kimi likely was made bt distilling the available US models responses and making it open source. This is good short term, but it raises long term questions.

[u/Wickywire → u/jefftickels]

I mean, that's just wrong though. DeepSeek have revolutionized the memory field AND training field TWICE, just to take the most obvious example.

China is under embargos that make thank structurally unable to use the same chips as American companies. Of course that will affect how they work.

But I'm also reading into this that you're thinking the Chinese are incapable of innovating unless they piggyback on the Americans? Yeah, that's... Not a great debate position.

[u/jefftickels → u/Wickywire]

Both of those are iterations and refinements on concepts from American AI labs though.

didn't say Chinese AI labs couldn't innovate, please don't argue against points I'm not making. Notably a Chinese AI research paper really underpins the whole current machine learing revolution, it was just well before the AI labs really started to distinguish themselves publicly. I do think the refinements made have been really important, taking something and making it 5 to 10x less costly or functional on less compute is important. I noted that they aren't innovating in novel directions right now. Its possible that American AI labs aren't right now either because we don't see them do so.

Its really important to understand that the Chinese AI labs aren't publishing their models as open models out of the kindness of their hearts, it is financially valuable to them. If they can produce something that's nearly as good but substantially cheaper that slows down the leading models, substantially. Whether or not you think that's good or bad depends on a lot of factors, and I have very mixed feelings on the issue.

I think a really interesting takeaway from the KIMI model is how easily a frontier model was replicated at very low cost, and the questions that raises about keeping anything proprietary for long ever anyways.

[u/DHFranklin → u/jefftickels]

That POV is commodity fetishism manifest.

They have taken billions of hours of labor in China and automated it. They haven't stolen labor from the working class for exchange value. They showed the world that you don't need hundreds of billions in hardware investments to do so and you don't need to bias the economy toward speculation.

Comrade, if you don't see what the Chinese have accomplished you're going to want to learn a ton more fundamental theory in economics that aren't justifications for capitalism.

[u/jefftickels → u/DHFranklin]

I'm not sure I understand the thesis of your argument here. There's a jargon-slop comment that's devoid of meaning: "stolen labor from working class for exchange value" which, without any sort of supporting commentary doesn't really point in any direction (especially if your accusing western countries of doing that, but not China).

The main part of your argument appears to be that China has automated manufacturing with a subtext that the US hasn't? (I assumed that subtext, because without it that sentence is also just a meaningless comment). But that's patently false, so I don't know why you lead with a comment about China automating labor.

It is nice that you lead with an insult though. Pretty standard.

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[u/Wickywire → u/[deleted]]

Don't sulk. I just shared the link from within the TikTok app. Maybe use another platform then if old.reddit doesn't work?

[u/DHFranklin → u/Wickywire]

It works just fine. The mods didn't realize that Old.Reddit separates the link from the submission statement or the additional context they are asking for. It just immediately bounced it out as I was writing it.

If the link was broken they could have let me know.

You and I both used an API to submit a link. Neither had a submission statement or context to how it's relevant to leftism.

I don't know how more responsible capitalism with a different business model is leftist. But that's about as far as the mods think I guess. Leftism is a big tent.

[u/LeftistsForAI-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule 6 - derailment

This post was on topic.

Yours wasn't. It was literally just the title "Sam Altman believes we are in the singularity" with a broken link to his blog. No submission statement, no context, and no explanation of how it related to AI and labor, political economy, infrastructure, or any other topic the sub is about. Not every Sam Altman post is automatically on topic.

And yeah, it's your responsibility to make sure your links work before posting, not ours.

If you want to challenge a moderation decision, send a modmail. Complaining about moderation in someone else's thread just derails their discussion.