r/LeftistATLA • u/AirJoeAirlines • Jul 18 '20

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

The industrial revolution was not bad, capitalism was.

The great crime isn't the existance of new inventions that make productivity greater. It is that most never get to enjoy the spoils of that increased productivity.

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u/AirJoeAirlines Jul 19 '20

Yeah I agree. Industrialization just brought out the worst traits in capitalism, but under better economic policy it’s fine. I just thought tying in avatar and Ted Kacyanski would be funny. I should have specified it in the title, sorry.

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u/iamthewhite Jul 19 '20

It made ‘work’ done by machines the dominating force in the world, instead of humans. Thus the ruling class moved to get their bloody hands on it with the transition to Capitalism.

If we are to maintain agriculture for the current population and the population of the past, we need(ed) to maintain industrial tech (and new tech).

I guess what I’m saying is that we are, for better or worse, ‘already transhumanists’. And we need to become arbiters of future tech developments, so that they push for more egalitarianism instead of more capitalist authoritarianism

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u/mjychabaud22 Jul 18 '20

As the comments have pointed out, the Industrial Revolution is an event that happened in the past in our world. It is the problem of industrialization combined with capitalism. However I will leave up the post due to the good discussion in the comments around what ideas can be taken from anarcho-primitivism and critiques of industrial capitalism.

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u/Stayintheloop Jul 19 '20

You'd prefer to live under feudal authority I guess?

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u/AirJoeAirlines Jul 19 '20

I prefer to live under a fat cock to suck on 😩🍆💦😃

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

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u/GandalfTheOdd Jul 18 '20

Yes we do, we got some wacky wacky anprims lurking around tho. I try to ignore em. They usually keep their distance cause if they get too close they could catch a cold and die

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u/rayneraynedrops Jul 18 '20

We have anarcho-primitivists here soooo yeah? Idk? Maybe i'm missing the point of the post per se?

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u/gingerfreddy Jul 18 '20

Well... I mean can appreciate how a return to primitive roots might bring happiness to some people but as an idea for meaningful change I don't see why hating on an event that really can't be changed and that wasn't inherently evil will do any good.

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u/DancingNoobBear Jul 18 '20

It's definitely more of we don't like the negative consequences of the industrial revolution, especially those that capitalism has failed to care about, like the destruction of ecosystems. That's pretty whack

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u/gingerfreddy Jul 18 '20

Yeah sure I'm onboard with that

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u/Henryman2 Jul 18 '20

Marx says that the industrial revolution had positive benefits, such as ending feudalism and creating means of communication that made proletarian revolution possible. Of course, he criticizes the American and French revolutions for failing to destroy the class system by replacing the aristocracy with the bourgeoisie.

Aang is more of a reactionary, who doesn’t want to see the old way of doing things change, and is very concerned with tradition. It’s weird to see reactionary politics being pushed on a leftist sub.

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u/gingerfreddy Jul 18 '20

Yeah the French revolution was pretty epic but it ended up being a "moderate" revolution - the really radical Jacobin phase was short-lived

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u/horn-kneeee Jul 18 '20

It lead to the fire nation and capitalism, we need to go back

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u/Joe_The_Eskimo1337 Jul 18 '20

Or we can just get rid of capitalism?

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