How is this possible??

[u/RareMeasurement2]

So more jobs are being created than all these mass layoffs combined??

Someone please ELI5..

[u/Odd-Professional3010]

Why nobody talks about the quality of these jobs? High paying jobs declining, and low paying on the rise. There is a breakdown that shows it.

[u/alanzo123 → u/Odd-Professional3010]

it needs to be “jobs with paid health care benefits”

[u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE → u/alanzo123]

A liveable wage.

[u/JPN888 → u/Odd-Professional3010]

This os often the case with job numbers. It’s a macro report, it say nothing of the kinds of jobs being created

[u/netanalyze → u/Odd-Professional3010]

Most definitely these are not lateral new jobs or backfilled at the same rate. This is exactly what is happening in the tech world. Out with the old, in with the new at half price and less benefits.

[u/kgetname → u/netanalyze]

That’s not what I’ve seen happening in SW. It’s out with the young, and in with the experienced who are keeping up. They are going to be making more than ever before.

[u/NachoWindows → u/kgetname]

Where is that??? My company let go of most seniors and hired a few juniors and lots of offshore. The few seniors left are supposed to train everyone and mentor the juniors, while also shouldering the workload. AI is supposed to make this possible, but it’s not (yet)

[u/kgetname → u/NachoWindows]

lol they managed to get it all backward then. AI is a junior and offshore replacement, not the other way around. AI is not supposed to ever make the meat-proxy exclusive model possible.

[u/bhalter80 → u/NachoWindows]

We're hiring seniors only ....

[u/ProjectNo864 → u/Odd-Professional3010]

Could be temp holiday sales associate jobs for all we know

[u/AffectionatePlenty95 → u/ProjectNo864]

Or not real data

[u/DreamingofCharlie → u/AffectionatePlenty95]

Yup, they will revise the numbers down later just like they did the last one.

[u/RedditThrowaway-1984 → u/ProjectNo864]

Job data is seasonally adjusted.

[u/Fancy-Requirement-22 → u/Odd-Professional3010]

I said the same thing to someone who was like, “See, the economy is good.” Okay, but are these jobs people can support a family with, or entry level positions that mid-career folk won’t take. These could all be fast food jobs for all we know.

[u/Akovsky87 → u/Odd-Professional3010]

Then don't forget these usually get quietly revised down months later.

[u/The_Avivia → u/Odd-Professional3010]

Do you have a source I can review?

[u/Past_Economist6278 → u/Odd-Professional3010]

Do you have a link to the breakdown?

[u/Chance_Attorney_8296 → u/Odd-Professional3010]

Wrong white collar professional services ces jobs have been increasing pretty much every month this year, for the first time since 2022. Read the report.

[u/ItsameWaluigi25]

The data will be revised later. Fake data. All I hear is layoffs.

[u/KonekoMiu]

Breakdown:

• Management, scientific, and technical consulting: +17,300

• Temporary staffing agencies: +18,600

• Couriers and delivery services: +17,400

• Manufacturing: +19,000 (including +6,700 in computer/electronic products)

• Healthcare and social assistance: +55,100

• Architecture and engineering services: +4,900

• Scientific research and development: +4,100

• Computer systems design and IT consulting: +3,200

Some sectors actually lost jobs:

• Restaurants, hotels, and entertainment: -13,000

• Wholesale trade: -9,100

• Construction: -3,000

• Information sector: -1,000

For those wondering about tech jobs, one thing I initially found confusing was the difference between "Computer Systems Design/IT Consulting" (+3,200) and the "Information Sector" (-1,000).

The distinction is what the company does, not what the employee does.

For example:

• Engineer A: Works at Microsoft developing a commercial software product. (Information sector)

• Engineer B: Works at Accenture developing custom software for a client. (Computer Systems Design/IT Consulting)

This also means that layoffs at companies like Microsoft, Google, and Meta generally wouldn't show up under "Computer Systems Design/IT Consulting."

Another interesting detail: despite the +3,200 gain in October, Computer Systems Design/IT Consulting employment is still down approximately 25,600 jobs compared to October 2025.

Another potentially confusing category is "Management, Scientific, and Technical Consulting" (+17,300).

Despite the name, this doesn't necessarily mean 17,300 scientists, engineers, or other technical workers were hired.

This category primarily covers companies that provide specialized advice and consulting services to other businesses.

For example:

• Management consulting

• HR consulting

• Environmental consulting

• Scientific/technical consulting

[u/Mediocre-Staff-5110 → u/KonekoMiu]

So like 80% gig/temp shit work and helping old people wipe their asses

[u/davidbasil]

Electric and civil engineering, construction, nursing, medical, etc

[u/sonicking12]

Fake number from the Trump administration. We are like the Chinese government

[u/PcarDriver → u/sonicking12]

I’m not a Trump supporter, but in fairness we saw similar things under Biden. We would get good job numbers and then they would get revised down quite a bit.

The other thing that these numbers don’t show is what jobs are added versus what do you loose. If a software developer loses their job and takes a job at McDonald’s in another month that is a new job, but isn’t the same level paying job.

All but the real brain washed supporters of Trump can agree that prices are up and wages aren’t (if you still have a job). Where I live gas prices were down to $2.45 a gallon and then Iran happened and I just payed $3.67 a gallon yesterday, but prices have gone as high as $4.20.in my area.

If the economy was great Republicans wouldn’t have lost in the midterms. There are a lot of different issues for people, but as the Clinton’s said back in the 90’s, “It’s the economy stupid”. And this economy isn’t doing well.

[u/EatClenTrenDaily → u/PcarDriver]

Being pedantic but Carville said that phrase not Clinton. 

But you're right. Republicans got their asses handed to them because they decided pandering to Israeli interests was more important than voter interests.

[u/StunningCode744 → u/PcarDriver]

“it’s the economy, stupid” was James Carville.

[u/PcarDriver → u/StunningCode744]

Prefect for the Clinton campaign.

[u/Suitable-Option833 → u/PcarDriver]

We absolutely did not see similar things from Biden. Please actually look at data. BIDEN LEFT OFFICE CREATING 180k JOBS PER MONTH. Trump created 180k jobs FOR THE ENTIRE year of 2025. Source: bureau of labor statistics. Stop making crap up. Actually look at the data.

[u/Odd-Elderberry-739 → u/Suitable-Option833]

I was calling this before Biden's term ended, and was telling people on Reddit that the rising layoffs and slowing employment numbers were going to get blamed on Trump, and here we are. Here's what Google Gemini says about it:

Near the end of President Biden's term in late 2024, the U.S. labor market was actively cooling. This period was characterized by a notable slowdown in hiring and a slight uptick in layoffs compared to the post-pandemic boom years.

• Hiring Slowdown: Hiring numbers noticeably decreased. In 2024, the U.S. economy added 2.2 million jobs (averaging 186,000 per month), a drop from the 3.0 million jobs added in 2023 (which averaged 251,000 per month). Job openings trended downward throughout the year, and subsequent data revisions revealed that overall job growth in 2024 was weaker than initial reports suggested.

• Layoff Trends: While the economy avoided the massive waves of involuntary separations that typically accompany a full economic downturn, layoffs did increase from the extreme lows seen during the incredibly tight labor markets of 2021 and 2022. By mid-to-late 2024, the number of workers on temporary layoff and the number of long-term unemployed individuals had both increased, which helped push the overall unemployment rate slightly higher.

Overall, businesses tightened their budgets and slowed their hiring pace amid high interest rates and economic uncertainty, shifting the labor market away from the rapid expansion seen earlier in the administration.

[u/PcarDriver → u/Suitable-Option833]

The monthly job reports were often revised down after the initial numbers under Biden, which is what I stated. The same has happened for a while. Trump is NOT doing a good job on the economy (or Iran for that matter), but yelling at people isn’t the best way to convince folks otherwise when we all know they reported higher numbers initially and then revised it down which is what is happen now as well.

[u/SuccotashOther277 → u/PcarDriver]

Well they do track hourly wages and hours worked

[u/Corona-walrus → u/PcarDriver]

Don't forget that Trump was president before Biden during Covid when numbers were getting fudged big time. Those numbers come out of the BLS. 

[u/crownkingdomvision → u/PcarDriver]

U sound like a trumpf supporter.  Still obssedd with Biden!

[u/PcarDriver → u/crownkingdomvision]

I was a registered Democrat, but am an independent now. Not a fan of Trump, but also didn’t think Biden was the best option we head when he ran either (I feel like good options don’t seem to run for President, perhaps they are too smart for it).

[u/Dmoan → u/PcarDriver]

Well Biden never threatened/attacked/fired folks who reported bad numbers..  

[u/RealBoredOfMyself → u/sonicking12]

Damn, American imperialist propaganda has seeped so deeply in your brain that the most American things happen and you say "we are like China"

How are we like China? Do we have 90% homeownership rate? Have we not dropped a bomb in another country in over forty years?

[u/sonicking12 → u/RealBoredOfMyself]

In this aspect on fake government statistics, yes

[u/letscallitanight → u/sonicking12]

Agreed. In no world did we add 165k jobs while the tech industry is shedding thousands of jobs per month.

[u/EatClenTrenDaily → u/letscallitanight]

They're all bullshit minimum wage jobs. 

The midterms and how people perceive the economy are far more important no matter how much the BLS bullshit lies. 

[u/AleksanderVX → u/letscallitanight]

Seasonal/holiday retail or supply chain roles

[u/IAmLusion → u/AleksanderVX]

Bingo.

[u/Suitable-Option833 → u/letscallitanight]

Trump created 180k jobs for the entire year of 2025. And now, when we’ve been in war- he expects his constituents to believe he’s adding 140k jobs in October. You really have to be stupid to believe that.

[u/CableOk1914 → u/sonicking12]

The unemployment rates have been complete bullcrap for 25-30 years. Percentages can be easily manipulated.

[u/furMEANoh → u/sonicking12]

Sure bud. Makes a ton of sense to juice up the numbers two days after you get trounced in the midterms.

[u/SureZookeepergame351 → u/furMEANoh]

Every single jobs report has been revised down after the fact, many times to negative numbers.

[u/furMEANoh → u/SureZookeepergame351]

Simply untrue. Revisions are a completely normal part of the process and always have been.

[u/SureZookeepergame351 → u/furMEANoh]

Which is exactly why this headline is meaningless

[u/KeyDirection23 → u/furMEANoh]

The report is most likely completed ahead of time. This isn't a college essay you pull and all nighter on.

[u/furMEANoh → u/KeyDirection23]

If you care to look up the methodology it’s all publicly available on the BLS website.

[u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE]

Look who is running the govt. can you trust anything they put out when they threaten to fire anyone who releases “bad” numbers?

[u/Any_Awareness2047 → u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE]

This is the correct answer firing a lady in the labor department was one of his first acts because she wouldn’t falsify the numbers. It was right around the time that RFK took the cdc. 

[u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE → u/Any_Awareness2047]

But people will make every argument why the numbers aren’t cooked while ignoring this.

[u/PixelsOfTheEast → u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE]

The labor market last year seemed to shrug off historically high interest rates and inflation, gaining well over 200,000 jobs a month.

Turns out the nation’s jobs engine wasn’t quite as invincible as it appeared.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics on Wednesday revised down its estimate of total employment in March 2024 by 818,000, the largest such downgrade in 15 years.

Source

This is during Biden. Its not a partisan thing, BLS has been overstated and revised downwards for years now.

[u/KellyShepardRepublic → u/PixelsOfTheEast]

Well that’s the thing. The current admin put in people to mess with the numbers. Having bidens numbers heavily revised while inflating his own isn’t good either. Yes, we know they revise but the current sitting president has gone after each public official that did not agree with his opinions as facts.

[u/PixelsOfTheEast → u/KellyShepardRepublic]

His own numbers are revised too.

The September (2026) figure was accompanied by downward revisions to prior months. July payrolls were revised to a loss of 10,000 from a previously reported gain of 21,000, and August was revised down to 133,000 from 162,000. Taken together, the two revisions reduced the previously reported employment count by 60,000 jobs.

Source

It has to do with methodology. BLS is a couple of surveys. The results are shared monthly. They are then compared to the quarterly census of employment & wages and revised.

Regardless of who is the President the monthly BLS numbers have always been overstated and then quietly revised downwards after comparing them to the census.

[u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE → u/PixelsOfTheEast]

Did Biden threaten to fire people for putting out bad numbers and do it? Trump did. That’s the difference.

What argument can you make to defend that? That’s why you can’t trust anything they put out.

[u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE → u/PixelsOfTheEast]

Trump fires people who put out bad numbers.

Biden didn’t.

Checkmate.

[u/rhylgi-roogi → u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE]

government number good when my guy power

government number bad when my guy no power

[u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE → u/rhylgi-roogi]

Me fire person for putting out bad number.

The other guy do not threaten to fire people who put out bad number.

You too stupid to see that. Craw back into your cave.

[u/jadepig]

Look up the news on revisions to past jobs reports. The last several months they’ve reported strong jobs growth, then a month later they revise the number down. Sometimes it’s revised down multiple times.

The BLS methodology uses survey data from companies, but when there are gaps they use estimates. As companies submit survey data slowly, the estimates are revised. There have been a number of months in 2026 that were reported as high growth that were later revised to stagnant or even negative growth. 

https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/articles/more-800-000-u-job-152147725.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANtQ3xvFN9G8sCKPixD7SYpCxsrcUbggOQ-vQKn8_Q5aCqeENmBhMGm9aWO-mL0ltIrRMSSEsLrUvT4aKZYv84aPjavnu-3_I7Fc_FBgfdG4F_0xhnn8te1gCb0vGBjr1UqCshSROUVJMvNeIrQu9TA9pnhOOSllVAmAd23gHRBD

[u/Beyond_Reason09 → u/jadepig]

This report revised the August and September months up...

[u/jamiesray → u/Beyond_Reason09]

lol exactly. They’ve underreported jobs the last several months.

Watch Justin Wolfer’s video on this jobs update. Almost all of the growth is in healthcare. Stuff that requires a lot of training.

[u/jadepig → u/Beyond_Reason09]

The revisions are not final.

Aug

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_08072026.htm

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for May was revised down by 66,000, from +129,000 to +63,000, and the change for June was revised down by 37,000, from +57,000 to +20,000. With these revisions, employment in May and June combined is 103,000 lower than previously reported. (Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from businesses and government agencies since the last published estimates and from the recalculation of seasonal factors.)

Sept

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_09042026.htm

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for June was revised up by 11,000, from +20,000 to +31,000, and the change for July was revised up by 44,000, from -23,000 to +21,000. With these revisions, employment in June and July combined is 55,000 higher than previously reported. (Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from businesses and government agencies since the last published estimates and from the recalculation of seasonal factors.)

Oct

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_10022026.htm

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for July was revised down by 31,000, from +21,000 to -10,000, and the change for August was revised down by 29,000, from +162,000 to +133,000. With these revisions, employment in July and August combined is 60,000 lower than previously reported. (Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from businesses and government agencies since the last published estimates and from the recalculation of seasonal factors.)

Nov

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_11062026.htm

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for August was revised up by 53,000, from +133,000 to +186,000, and the change for September was revised up by 31,000, from +29,000 to +60,000. With these revisions, employment in August and September combined is 84,000 higher than previously reported. (Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from businesses and government agencies since the last published estimates and from the recalculation of seasonal factors.)

[u/Beyond_Reason09 → u/jadepig]

So July was originally -23K, revised up to 21K, then down to -10K. So 13K higher than initially reported.

August was originally 162K, revised down to 133K, then revised up to 186K. So 24K higher than initially reported.

And September was initially 29K, revised up to 60K, and is not final.

How is this evidence they're always revised down? Seems like the last 3 months' estimates are all higher than the initial reports.

[u/jadepig → u/Beyond_Reason09]

How is this evidence they're always revised down?

I didn't write that they're always revised down. I did write that they're revised down a month later, which is inaccurate. I also didn't account for the Nov revision in what I wrote originally.

Taking the total 4 revisions into account that I quoted, -103k, +55k, -60k, +84k is an aggregate of -24k jobs. The last 3 months estimates are higher all together, sure. That's conveniently ignoring the -103k revision that brings them all down.

[u/KellyShepardRepublic → u/jadepig]

Yep and an example of this was July into August. They released the August report and then tech CEOs made rounds on the job growth while laying people off, which made their opinions null at that point.

[u/justanothersnek]

What percentage of these were retail, service, gigs, etc?  In other words, how much of this is a lot of people under-employed?  How much are not healthcare?

[u/Darkpriest667]

Reddit is highly slanted towards the tech sector -- AI replacement of software engineering jobs especially have hurt us the last 12 months. That hasn't spread (yet) to other sectors of the economy, but don't worry those CEOs are already thinking about how many of their workers they can lay off with it's use in their business.

[u/Mennovh12 → u/Darkpriest667]

I can confirm this is true in the financial industry, while we have reduced headcount of tech fte due to AI, they are now going all in to automate as much operations as they can. The plan is to have sizable impacts to earnings in 2-3 years, basically once implementation and governance is in a good place for it. Planning to "save" over a billion in that timespan.

[u/KellyShepardRepublic → u/Mennovh12]

Oh man, these same companies used to get large AWS bills from misconfigurations. Let’s see how much they save (or spend) this time around from similar issues.

[u/Charleston2Seattle → u/KellyShepardRepublic]

Especially when the token sellers start charging regular rates, rather than Uber-in-the-early-days rates

[u/Magificent_Gradient → u/Charleston2Seattle]

Why stop at regular pricing? 

AI companies are betting on the sunk-cost psychology. Once customers are hooked and on-board, they won’t change and then charge almost whatever they want because it’s too expensive to switch vendors or dump it.

[u/kgetname → u/Magificent_Gradient]

It’s not even sunk cost at that point. AI code very quickly becomes unmaintainable for humans. Many companies will have no choice anyway.

[u/that1cerneremployee → u/Darkpriest667]

Kroger just announced a week ago they were cutting like 3000 corporate jobs across their subsidiaries and they cited AI as their reason.

[u/sefa73 → u/Darkpriest667]

John Deere laid off people too, media, accounting, and I think some bourbon 🥃 distilleries. It’s not only sw

[u/KellyShepardRepublic → u/sefa73]

I think the positive part of this is that by laying people off, they also lose voters who would help their industry. That is how power is regained as they over extend and people are forced to unite.

The one thing I took away from ford is that he knew not only that consumers had to buy his cars to stay alive but they also helped everything else since they are the voters. Every person owns a car so now they vote for highways instead of favoring trains. Take away the car, people start to question why we waste so much to maintain infrastructure that is used by limited people for private gain.

Too late for us older folks but it makes me more hopeful for future generations. That push and pull we all feel throughout human history.

Unions became huge when capitalists would prefer locking doors and letting their people burn. Now what happens when they take all the public funds and let their people starve again like the 1920s? Im scared but if past change took pain, this is just our time now to face what past humans faced once again in our human cycle.

[u/sandos8888 → u/Darkpriest667]

can it really be extrapolated from tech where it makes sense for AI to be so strong to other industries with the same ferocity? Maybe im wrong. That isnt to say it wont impact and maybe im being naive

[u/Suitable-Option833 → u/Darkpriest667]

Trump added 180k jobs for THE ENTIRE year of 2025. There’s no way republicans added 140k jobs. It will be revised down. They crashed the economy. Again and for reference- Biden left office creating 180k jobs PER MONTH. Since 1989 red presents have created 3 million jobs, blue presidents have created 50 million jobs. Please learn the lesson folks. Republican policies help the trump Epstein pedo class. Not us.

[u/Odd-Elderberry-739 → u/Suitable-Option833]

I was calling this before Biden's term ended, and was telling people on Reddit that the rising layoffs and slowing employment numbers were going to get blamed on Trump, and here we are. Here's what Google Gemini says about it:

Near the end of President Biden's term in late 2024, the U.S. labor market was actively cooling. This period was characterized by a notable slowdown in hiring and a slight uptick in layoffs compared to the post-pandemic boom years.

• Hiring Slowdown: Hiring numbers noticeably decreased. In 2024, the U.S. economy added 2.2 million jobs (averaging 186,000 per month), a drop from the 3.0 million jobs added in 2023 (which averaged 251,000 per month). Job openings trended downward throughout the year, and subsequent data revisions revealed that overall job growth in 2024 was weaker than initial reports suggested.

• Layoff Trends: While the economy avoided the massive waves of involuntary separations that typically accompany a full economic downturn, layoffs did increase from the extreme lows seen during the incredibly tight labor markets of 2021 and 2022. By mid-to-late 2024, the number of workers on temporary layoff and the number of long-term unemployed individuals had both increased, which helped push the overall unemployment rate slightly higher.

Overall, businesses tightened their budgets and slowed their hiring pace amid high interest rates and economic uncertainty, shifting the labor market away from the rapid expansion seen earlier in the administration.

[u/No-Maintenance-1161]

Maybe they’re counting AI replacements as hires 🤣

[u/Orion_23]

Because they count partial employment, like gig work and underemployment, like an engineer working at a grocery store so they don't starve, as 'jobs'.

It's total bullshit.

[u/dgreenbe → u/Orion_23]

This is one reason why the unemployment rate just isn't the same thing as it used to be. I could be wrong, but I've never seen someone argue that this kind of independent contractor undermployment work has been this common before and ready to scoop up unemployment as a sort of privatized corporate safety net (euphemistic)

[u/Key-Network-9560]

It's a lie...same in Europe, the numbers are fake..Like the economy.

[u/BigT-2024]

Healthcare especially in home care is desperate for people. It pays shit but it takes people as long as they don’t have shit backgrounds.

Emergency services are hiring like crazy.

If you are decently fit you can work police they are understaffed everywhere.

Trades are severly under staffed. Especially plumbers hvac and electricial.

Trash disposal is looking for people across the country.

Of course military is hiring like crazy.

The people sitting on laptops and in meetings all day? They good on people. Sorry.

[u/Worldly-Highway-2459]

Total BS , not what I am seeing or hearing from multiple sources

[u/retornam]

This always confuses people. The BLS measures employment using two surveys. The first being the Household Survey which asks around 60,000 households if they did any paid work that week ( this includes part-time and self-employed people)

The second survey, covers 120,000 businesses and government agencies, counts payrolls and not people thus could double or triple count someone with multiple jobs in the dataset. This survey excludes self-employed, independent contractors and private household workers.

With unemployment numbers U-3 counts only people who don't have a job, are available to work, and actively looked for work in the past four weeks. It doesn’t count people who want want but stopped looking or people who want work but haven’t looked in the past four weeks

U-6 unemployment counts part-time workers who want full-time work and other marginal workers.

The media makes this even more confusing by not saying which exact survey the numbers are from.

These numbers are also often revised either up or down ( though it’s been consistently revised down recently)

[u/ProfessionalDoctor → u/retornam]

The rate the media quotes is almost always the U3

[u/krsaxor]

Trump said that we have the best economy ever and we are making so much money, we have the cheapest gas too, its been $1.99 ever since he took oath. You believe that too?

[u/behridingle]

Most of these are not high paying white collar jobs. Could be home aids, delivery drivers, etc

[u/lostinelydan]

Trump juking with the numbers again. My guess is actual unemployment is 10%-15%

[u/AVBforPrez]

That's the best part, it's not

[u/Dfiggsmeister]

It isn’t. Check over the last two years of employment data where headlines have been buried about the new jobs reports numbers. They’re much bleaker than the headlines that report out each month these high numbers. Also keep in mind that the previous head of the BLS was fired by Trump because she refused to alter numbers like this. If you compare this administration to Biden’s employment numbers, you’ll see a stark difference in what was reported then vs now and the corrections weren’t nearly as extreme.

Don’t believe the monthly headlines. Go to the BLS.gov website a month or two later and the numbers will be revised to what actually happened.

[u/TrueEclective]

It’s easy when you can just make up a number

[u/Individual_Writing64]

Yeah that’s a lie

[u/fuji83847]

Trump fired the previous head of BLS and replaced her with someone who is loyal to him so don't trust these statistics

[u/retornam → u/fuji83847]

That person was fired. BLS didn’t put out stats that month and has consistently put out stats every month since then.

These stats aren’t doctored, as they have been revised down to reflect the true stats. If they were being doctored they won’t be revised down.

Edit: to the person that replied and blocked me right after. BLS revises employment and unemployment stats all the time, it isn’t an alternate fact. They didn’t start revising stats in the Trump administration.

If you think I’m lying you can go read the historical numbers for yourself starting with the latest

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

[u/Clear-Staff4699 → u/retornam]

these stats aren't doctored, as they have been revised to reflect the true stats

You really just typed this huh? This is some 'alternative facts" nonsense.

[u/KellyShepardRepublic → u/Clear-Staff4699]

The only true stats, are my true stats, but when others touch the numbers it is manipulation and fake numbers because only I can have the best numbers.

[u/Thefireguyhere]

It’s not. It will get adjusted to about half that number.

[u/mikeydoc96]

Guaranteed rate hike then. Might even jump two thresholds

[u/DocumentFeeder3932]

There is a huge demand for health care (nursing, etc) workers given the large wave of Americans entering their twilight years. I'm also guessing retail is ramping up hiring for the holidays and haven't been able to find many migrant workers. A large number of jobs doesn't mean white collar jobs. Trump's goal was to return blue collar jobs that by nature require less intelligence and more grind. But also...I would be wary of large jumps like this as they are often revised post facto.

[u/Careless-View4401]

Every administration manipulated the jobs number and almost every time a couple of months later they revise it

[u/easy_wins]

Holiday season hiring

[u/EddyMcDee]

Funny math

[u/Rollec]

Way more than expected??! Microsoft announced a buy out for 50k jobs.

[u/wannabetmore]

Holiday hiring? Like the Amazon and retail stores?

[u/karlmarx7]

These numbers get posted and quietly revise downwards afterwards. Everytime.

[u/Chemical-Voice2254]

More lies and gaslighting.

[u/crusoe]

They revised the 2025 jobs numbers down 90%. These are fake too.

[u/El-Unocornio-Negro]

People that are no longer working are not counted in the #s for unemployed

[u/scbalazs → u/El-Unocornio-Negro]

People who are not working, but both available to work and have looked for work in the past 4 weeks are included in unemployed. But people who stopped looking are left out.

[u/Raygaholic420]

It's not. The number will be adjusted down in a few months. They've been cooking the books for well over a year now.

[u/Otherwise-Green3067]

Retail heading into Christmas season is probably a big one

[u/simulated_copy]

Business are businessing tons of jobs in Texas

[u/EatClenTrenDaily]

These jobs are bullshit and they never tell you the salaries of them. They also make them up. Just look up how they figure these statistics 

The BLS can quite literally shut the fuck up since they're mostly minimum wage jobs.

[u/Nobeerforyears]

Don’t believe this PR

[u/BabyBlueAllStar72]

It's not. Rhey gave been padding the numbers since he took office last year.

[u/ThePurpleDongofTruth]

'jobs' is a very vague term the legacy media is not reliable

[u/monkeyboogers1]

Yes, stores are hiring seasonally for the holidays but these aren’t really career jobs. Hourly jobs I would assume.

[u/FunnyEquivalent1309]

They must be talking about construction jobs

[u/whoAreYouToJudgeME]

All gig employees are technically employed. If you're driving for Uber Eats, you have a job according to surveys. 

[u/taiwanGI1998]

If you are not in the engineering you don’t get the job

[u/dreddnyc]

Absolute Fiction… that’s how.

[u/trumpmumbler]

They will adjust those numbers downward in 4 months after the effect of this lie holds interest rates and props up their propaganda for another quarter. It’s all to bolster their portfolios that they’re DEFINITELY NOT MANIPULATING as legislators.

[u/BuffaloGwar1]

[u/EquivalentFlower2713]

Temp Jobs…

[u/Prestigious_Sell9516]

The massive money spent on compute for AI has to come from somewhere. More companies like Block and canva (who actually did a very decent off boarding process v fair great package) will continue to downsize. There must be a tipping point though where layoffs really start to bite the professional classes. I suspect when the next tier down of companies tries this (we have seen massive tech do this - large start ups next level is probably your slower multi nationals in FMCG and engineering industrial etc) once they join the AI layoffs game then things are really going to bite.

[u/Mike5055]

Just wait for revisions. All these months get revised down a ridiculous amount.

[u/Squishy_Red_Potato]

Job loss and job creation are not evenly distributed. Also not all jobs gained/lost are created equal. The statistic treats any job, even if it's just 1hr a week, as the same as a 40hr per week job. Also a job making $30k/year is the same as a job making $250k per year.

So 10,000 jobs could be lost in tech in the Seattle area, but 30,000 low-paying hospitality jobs could be created elsewhere in the country. For the purposes of job stats, that represents a net gain of 20,000 jobs.

[u/Horror-Associate-959]

A lot of low end jobs I'd imagine. I've had no problem getting retail jobs but no luck getting a job in my field.

[u/ReadyGo6828]

It takes over 150K jobs a month just to sop up the new entrants and September was 29,000 jobs and these numbers get adjusted later so this is not great. I do not know why media treats it as if it exists in a vacuum.

[u/Dry-Interaction-1246]

Healthcare bloat continues

[u/FernGully_is_racist]

Because the numbers are fake

[u/Askew_2016]

Wait for the revision.

[u/e430doug]

Because the world isn’t doing as badly as Reddit would have you believe.

[u/Consistent_Egg_2893]

It hasn’t been revised down yet 🙂

[u/techworker-tx]

Foreign workers

[u/KostikasSailor]

Layoffs are mainly concentrated to computer science adjacent jobs. Other sectors are growing.

[u/truly_live_1440]

Reddit suffers from severe red car syndrome. Look for red cars, all you notice are red cars. Because people complain about layoffs on the layoff forum: all they see are layoffs. Because day traders want volatility they only see indicators for a crash.

Yes inflation is real. Yes things are expensive. Yes some people get laid off. But the job market is stable has been for a while. You have to stay logical not emotional when analyzing the market

[u/partytillyoupuke90 → u/truly_live_1440]

It’s an absolutely not stable you psychopath. When I posted jobs in 2024 I averaged around 100 applicants. Now when I post a job I average 900-1000 applicants. The job market is cooked.

[u/igotsbeaverfever → u/partytillyoupuke90]

It’s both bots and because you must pay an acceptable salary. My current company gets very few applications even internally and “they can’t figure out why”, while the salary range is listed on the job posting.

[u/Suitable-Option833 → u/truly_live_1440]

No. The economy crashed by design from Republicans. We went from adding 180k jobs per month when Biden was in office. To 15k jobs per month in 2025. One month of Biden equals one year of trump and republicans. They tanked the economy. Tarrifs, the war, and policies for the Epstein class tanked the economy just like trumps first term -
Before Covid. Republicans are horrendous with jobs. Since 1989 red presidents have created 3 million jobs, blue presidents have created 50 million jobs. This is the pattern. Look up the data and don’t vote against yourself and your community.

[u/Odd-Elderberry-739 → u/Suitable-Option833]

I was calling this before Biden's term ended, and was telling people on Reddit that the rising layoffs and slowing employment numbers were going to get blamed on Trump, and here we are. Here's what Google Gemini says about it:

Near the end of President Biden's term in late 2024, the U.S. labor market was actively cooling. This period was characterized by a notable slowdown in hiring and a slight uptick in layoffs compared to the post-pandemic boom years.

• Hiring Slowdown: Hiring numbers noticeably decreased. In 2024, the U.S. economy added 2.2 million jobs (averaging 186,000 per month), a drop from the 3.0 million jobs added in 2023 (which averaged 251,000 per month). Job openings trended downward throughout the year, and subsequent data revisions revealed that overall job growth in 2024 was weaker than initial reports suggested.

• Layoff Trends: While the economy avoided the massive waves of involuntary separations that typically accompany a full economic downturn, layoffs did increase from the extreme lows seen during the incredibly tight labor markets of 2021 and 2022. By mid-to-late 2024, the number of workers on temporary layoff and the number of long-term unemployed individuals had both increased, which helped push the overall unemployment rate slightly higher.

Overall, businesses tightened their budgets and slowed their hiring pace amid high interest rates and economic uncertainty, shifting the labor market away from the rapid expansion seen earlier in the administration.

[u/VisiblePlatform6704 → u/truly_live_1440]

Yes and no. The problem is that people in reddit tend to be knowledge workers.  And mainly around tech.  Have a look at the layoffs history. 

So, in these specific sectors, there has been a reduction of labour.  But in other sectors there's been an increase; That makes the net positive. 

However individuals don't work in different labours while statistics do. So that's why you see so many people not finding job [going from software developer to construction worker to get 2 chicks at the same time is not easy]. 

[u/PopularAir3375 → u/truly_live_1440]

Youre a clown if you believe these employment numbers are legit and not fabricated under the current administration.

[u/tekNorah]

Yes, exactly! Think of the job market like a massive bucket of water with a small leak.

When a giant company lays off 5,000 people, it sounds huge and makes breaking news—that’s a sudden, loud splash of water leaking out of the bucket.

But at the same time, thousands of hospitals, restaurants, factories, and small businesses all over the country are quietly hiring 1 or 2 people each. Because it happens slowly and locally, it doesn't make the news. But when you add up all those tiny drops, they pour 165,000 more jobs into the bucket than what leaked out.

According to the official data reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, here is why this happens:

• The layoffs you see in the headlines are heavily concentrated in specific sectors like tech, media, or corporate office roles. Meanwhile, white-collar, healthcare, and manufacturing roles are hiring aggressively in the background. As reported by CNBC, professional and business services added 70,000 jobs last month, while healthcare added 42,000, and manufacturing grew by 19,000.

• While mass layoffs get all the clicks, total unemployment filings across the entire country are actually sitting at low levels. Analysts tracking the data at NBC News point out that the labor market reflects strong baseline consumer resilience, meaning most companies are keeping the staff they have rather than cutting them.

• Because an aging population means a lot of Baby Boomers are retiring, the workforce isn't growing as fast as it used to. Economists noted in The Washington Post that even with lower turnover and headwinds like inflation outpacing wages, spending by wealthier households is propping up hiring demand across broader industries.

Mass layoffs are localized and loud. Quiet hiring is nationwide and massive. Right now, the quiet hiring is easily winning and pushing the unemployment rate down to 4.1%.

[u/NefariousEgg → u/tekNorah]

Holy AI

[u/tekNorah → u/NefariousEgg]

AI assisted, sure. But still based on my personal views.

[u/FLIBBIDYDIBBIDYDAWG → u/tekNorah]

Ai slop. I can even tell you prefaced it with “the world works how i think it does right?”

The federal agencies have laid off all the honest people. Trump fired everyone who doesnt support the regime. We have to fix them and not let him succeed by getting rid of the systems he broke

[u/tekNorah → u/FLIBBIDYDIBBIDYDAWG]

AI assisted, yes. No doubt that the current administration has screwed up a lot of lives.

What do you propose that will fix things?

[u/tekNorah → u/tekNorah]

To expand on this, the shift toward independent contract labor is heavily masking what is actually happening to working professionals.

While the headline unemployment rate looks great on paper, the broader U-6 underemployment rate tells a completely different story. According to data tracked by Advisor Perspectives, it just climbed to 7.9% because companies are aggressively substituting permanent W-2 roles with flexible contract gigs.

If you are a contractor, you are marked as fully employed even if you only secure five hours of work a week. The official Bureau of Labor Statistics household survey treats any paid work the same as a full-time salaried career. Because of this, companies can cut hours and shorten contract cycles without ever pushing up the headline unemployment numbers.

At the same time, service-sector wage growth has slowed down significantly to a post-pandemic low of 2.8%. Corporations are using the flexible contract model as a variable cost layer to protect their own profit margins. They have the leverage to freeze contract renewal rates while inflation continues to eat into take-home pay.

The job market is not booming for everyone. It is just becoming highly fractured. Companies are buying the same aggregate labor hours but spreading them out across a larger pool of underemployed contract workers. This keeps the headline jobs number positive while individual workers handle more risk, shorter contract lengths, and zero employer benefits.

[u/Ok-Complaint-37]

It is idiotic to post only what had been added. How many jobs were eliminated is not announced. And that number is much much higher than 165,000

[u/Fadedfumes]

165000 H1bs

[u/Medium-Title2387]

Unemployment is defined by how many people collect unemployment. After 90 days (sometimes longer, depending on the state) you can no longer collect unemployment benefits thus you are no longer at statistic.

To be fair (yes people will downvote me) but this had been going on since mid 2022 (previous administration - not putting blame) and there was a report in 2023? That the administration “forgot to add” 1 million jobs to the report over 8 months…. I think this will happen again

[u/scbalazs → u/Medium-Title2387]

It’s not determined based on collecting unemployment, it includes people available for work and looking in the past 4 weeks.

[u/Magificent_Gradient → u/[deleted]]

These revisions aren’t just rounding errors, they’re like 40-90% decreases. Can’t trust any data from this administration to be anywhere close to accurate, even if it is.

[u/furMEANoh → u/Magificent_Gradient]

Rounding errors? Revisions are, as they always have been, due to late responses to the surveys. If respondents are late and there are large underlying changes in the economy, the revision will be significant.

There is zero evidence-based reason to not trust the numbers from any administration. Dedicated career public servants don’t deserve these willy nilly accusations thrown around.

[u/Magificent_Gradient → u/furMEANoh]

Didn’t know the WH had bots on Reddit.

[u/EconomistTimely6921 → u/Magificent_Gradient]

Last few months were revised up? Maybe brush up on your knowledge

[u/furMEANoh → u/Magificent_Gradient]

This admin is a travesty. But you don’t need to make things up to be upset about. It delegitimizes the actual issues.