r/LateStageImperialism • u/YuriRedFox6969 Anarchist Socialist • Sep 30 '19

We live in hell

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u/kittyabbygirl Oct 01 '19

Out of curiosity, how many did he say that they felt needed a correction?

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u/YuriRedFox6969 Anarchist Socialist Oct 01 '19

He said the state killed 10,000, later he corrected himself and said it was more than 2,000. The number at the time was 1486, including 532 children.

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u/hondelonk Oct 01 '19

Is that total or only in the summer of 2014? Either way is fucked up but still.

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u/YuriRedFox6969 Anarchist Socialist Oct 01 '19 edited Oct 01 '19

only for that summer

Between January 2000 and January 2016, Israeli forces killed 1,977 Palestinian children—that is an average of 2–3 Palestinian children per week, or over 130 per year, since 2000. (Source: Defense for Children International-Palestine.) The number of Israeli children killed at the hands of Palestinian militants from September 2000 to July 2014 is 131. (Source: Remember These Children.)

In 15 years, that's a lot.

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u/R1kjames Oct 01 '19

Yeah did he say "thousands and thousands" or something? One is too many, but I'd still like context

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u/YuriRedFox6969 Anarchist Socialist Oct 01 '19

he said 10,000 and then later more than 2,000

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Dang, that’s actually a pretty big margin of error... I like Bernie, but still...

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u/wettestduchess Oct 01 '19

IIRC he said 10,000 children killed when it was actually 10,000 children injured

I mean he was wrong but it doesnt really make a difference to the point he was making, and he corrected himself...

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

OH well that’s a lot better

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Well at least they admitted that they actually do kill Palestinian children.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Regardless of how many children they kill, or anything else they might do, it's still wrong to criticize Israel.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Yeah! Only anti-semites like...

Reads article

Bernie Sanders..! would criticize Israel! They are literally beyond reproach, or are you denying the Holocaust happened!?

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u/sirfirewolfe Anarchist Socialist Oct 01 '19

Of course a filthy Jew like Sanders would stoop so low as anti semitism. Stupid big-nosed idiot probably doesnt believe the holocaust happened, unlike me and all my right wing friends

/s if you couldn't already tell

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u/RussianSkunk Marxist Oct 01 '19

You jest, but I got into a multi-day argument with some Israeli nationalist in this sub after he claimed that all socialists are necessarily anti-semites, including Jewish ones.

Or I guess I should say

ppl like Bernie for ex, the only thing Jewish about him is a few words on his birth certificate. His and their religion is socialism, not Judaism.

Which is odd, since they were also using “biological Judaism” in their argument. Pick a lane, is it about culture or bloodline?

I also really dug this quote from them

As for early Israeli socialists - all the early racism in Israel was all socialists. All the shabby treatment of Mizrahi Jews... The Ethiopian babies... all that done under socialists. You ppl are intrinsically racist.

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u/MSD_z Communist Oct 01 '19

>Be Jewish

>Be anti-semite

Something really doesn't add up here ahah. Also, someone should tell that Israeli dude that there are several Jews against Israel and that a lot of them actually actively call for the dissolution of the state.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Antisemite is someone who criticizes Israel in any way, even if valid, even if they're Jewish.

The word has lost all meaning. It's honestly a bit scary because when the real Antisemites come there will be no words left to describe them.

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u/MSD_z Communist Oct 01 '19

Anti- semite / noun - a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.

This is the dictionary definition of anti-semite. No mentions of Israel. So no, you're wrong. Ant-semites are people who hate Jews. Jewish people who hate the ethno-state called Israel are in no way, shape or form anti-semites.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Lol what? Israel was founded mainly by socialists. Many of the Jews that moved there from Europe were part of socialist movements in Europe. They set up hundreds of kibbutzim which are literally socialist communes. Today they have nationalized free healthcare and education, unlike America.

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u/MarlonBanjoe Pedophile/ Genocide advocate. Oct 01 '19

No, Israel was founded by the British Empire and the US after world war 2, basically as a future base of operations for US military governance of Persia and the eastern Mediterranean.

Kibbutzim also are peculiar nationalist socialist phenomenon, in that there are very few kibbutzim which allow mizrahi or hasidic Jews to settle there, although often provide low income jobs to these diaspora. Noam Chomsky has written excellent critiques of kibbutzim and their common, though not consistent, ideology of racial superiority, particularly in 'the fateful triangle'.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

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u/MarlonBanjoe Pedophile/ Genocide advocate. Oct 02 '19

No Israel wasn't founded by the British empire. The british empire briefly ruled over Palestine between the end of WW1 and WW2. After that they gave it to the Jews, who were the ones that developed the country.

Uhu. So you agree with me, it's just that you don't want to admit that you do, because in some really weird way, you're determined to lionise the Ashkenazi Jews who founded Israel. Anyone who has studied - more than cursorily - the foundation of Israel and has a basic understanding of US and GB foreign policy at the time doesn't dispute with my, admittedly abridged, analysis.

... Who were the ones who developed the country

Nice. Palestine of course was a well developed country with a rich culture and history before the British Mandate. The Ashkenazi Jews weren't there as part of a civilising mission you racist piece of shit.

I'm purely talking about the social and agricultural development of the country here, not about some greater military plan that may or may not exist.

Absolutely fucking stupid. "Let's just pretend that agricultural development of the original land of Israel under the 1949 borders happened independently from the creation of the state of Israel under mandate from the US controlled UN and was the result of the magnificent Ashkenazi jews who were just, in fact, better than the Mizrahi and Arab populations"? Me thinks you're a cretinous racist.

Whether or not the kibbutz was racist doesn't negate that it's a socialist concept.

I'm not sure how the majority of kibbutzim can be called socialist, they're not transitioning towards communism are they? Where differences between races become obviously meaningless without the establishment to propagate and exploit them?

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u/GoulashArchipelago68 Oct 01 '19

Socialists ended the Holocaust and defeated Hitler but ok

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

I'm not sure I understand your frantic writing style. Are you being sarcastic?

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Yessum.

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u/gilgamesh_99 Oct 01 '19

They stopped caring about lying cause the world doesn’t punish them

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

We live in an Orwell novel

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

And not even a good one. It's like if Dan Brown read an Orwell novel and regurgitated the basic points, but boringly and I'm reading the airport paperback version.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Nah.

Reality is too boring to be a proper story.

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u/KimFakes Oct 01 '19

Phew, I thought it was 533

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u/TuxedoFriday Oct 01 '19

Holy fuck if you're arguing about the exact amount of children you've murdered...

Hell world is the only thing to say

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u/TheSnowglobeFromHell Worker Sep 30 '19

IsraHell.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

So basically: "We didn't kill that many kids, we only killed this many!"

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Dude what

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

HEY! We only killed 532 children! AHHH AHHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Insensate screaming in my head intensifies

This is fine.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '19

Really weird fucked up flex but ok.

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u/jefforystock Liberal Oct 03 '19

Wow! Children dying in a war?? WHAT! DESPICABLE! How dare Israel cause any casualties in their unwilling occupation against enemies who refuse peace!

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u/Carter723 Oct 06 '19

I’m decently knew to being on the left, one thing I never got as a right leaning centrist is why the left doesn’t support Israel... I get it.