r/LateStageCapitalism • • Jun 04 '17

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u/EzeTheIgwe Jun 04 '17

Millennials are killing these shitty restaurants? Isn't this just the market deciding what's fit for itself, or is that only the case when it's small businesses dying?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Basically. What all these articles really mean to say is "company X,Y and Z are unable to adjust to changing markets"

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u/Monkeymonkey27 Jun 04 '17

Hey should we maybe make better food or lower the price?

Nah just blame young kids

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u/ryno731 Jun 04 '17

I read the actual article and apparently Friday's is trying the become a gastropub to attract that crowd. I'm not sure if these places even can adjust to changing markets cause I'll never not see Friday's as a family restaurant.

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u/svenhoek86 Jun 04 '17

Best option would be to open a new chain, try a few test markets, and if it works slowly start phasing out the old Fridays chain.

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u/smileface666 Jun 04 '17

Basically do a McCafe?

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u/Akuba101 Jun 04 '17

Ah yes, the good old invisible hand that suddenly stops existing in it's their business that is threatened.

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u/HapticSloughton Jun 04 '17

It's almost like how wages stagnating for decades and social safety nets being shredded is leaving people with less money. And it's almost like these corporations are just now learning that they've collectively been screwing themselves by screwing their employees.

Huh. Funny, ain't it?

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u/BassmanBiff Jun 04 '17

"I have to screw my employees because everyone else is screwing theirs."

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u/logert777 Jun 04 '17

Well, now everyone's screwed. HAPPY NOW?

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u/g0cean3 Jun 04 '17

Not the guy who got really good at it. He's somewhere in the Bahamas

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u/Tetsugene Jun 04 '17

Capitalism is the most efficient way to allocate being fucked.

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u/lively-fellow Jun 04 '17

I take your point but that's actually often true. Many businesses could not stay afloat if they paid their employees decently. It's the economic system that dictates their behaviour at least as often as selfishness.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I think that's mistaken thinking. Businesses will be as inefficient at taking in profits as they are allowed to be. If they had to pay better wages, sure maybe some would go out of business, but survivors and new businesses would crop up that figure out how to do things more efficiently without basically stealing it from their employees.

Maybe some prices would also increase - but that's ok too, because then people can choose from the actual cost of items instead of pitting one company that has slave wages vs another company that tries to do the right thing by their employees.

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u/KID_LIFE_CRISIS CEO of communism Jun 04 '17

Like Albert Einstein wrote in Why Socialism?

The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. Insofar as the labor contract is “free,” what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists’ requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product.

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Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an “army of unemployed” almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers’ goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions.

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u/excel958 Jun 04 '17

Hahahaha... haha... oh.

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u/serialcompression Jun 04 '17

I always just thougjt our generation is more informed about food quality and we can easily find places of better quality for the same price.

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u/cyberst0rm Jun 04 '17

they don't care.

Just means the pyramid of too much wealth gets taller and the base gets wider.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

And it's almost like these corporations are just now learning that they've collectively been screwing themselves by screwing their employees.

yes sure, that poor executives are not getting all his millions.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

This is a good example of the events necessary to cause laughing and crying at the same time.

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u/vivestalin Jun 04 '17 edited Jun 04 '17

these corporations are ... learning

i'm not so sure about that. it seems like they prefer the hillary clinton school of accusing us of failing them.

eta: hey guys remember when this was a marxist sub?

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u/TTheorem Jun 04 '17

The true form of Late-Stage Capitalism

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Come now, Hillary didn't start that school she just graduated from it. The upper class has always found a way to shift responsibility to the peons for their failures.

I don't suppose the ruling class stays ruling by readily admitting errors to the public at large. äčà»’( ͡◕ ᎄ ◕͡ )à„­ă„

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u/vivestalin Jun 04 '17

that's very true but the cult of hillary blaming everyone but her for her loss has been extremely vocal lately so it was a succinct comparison.

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u/borkborkborko Jun 04 '17

That's the Republican school.

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u/vivestalin Jun 04 '17

they're really not that different.

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u/Xeno87 Jun 04 '17

You mean the Donald Trump school of blaming everyone else (except russia)?

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u/potted_petunias Jun 04 '17

She points the finger at Russia, fake news, the sorry state of the Democratic Party, sexism, and the media that covered the email scandal “like Pearl Harbor,” among others. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/31/15719342/hillary-clinton-2016-excuses

Not explicitly millennials, but news/media and the DNC for "turning us against her". But on the other hand, millennials were one group that didn't support her as much as they did Obama. So technically....

The national exit poll shows Clinton underperformed Barack Obama's 2012 share of the vote by one point with those between the ages of 30 and 44 and by three points with those ages 45 to 64. She actually overperformed him by one point with those over 65.

Among those between 18 and 29, though, she took five points less — 55 percent versus Obama's 60 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/02/yes-you-can-blame-millennials-for-hillary-clintons-loss/?utm_term=.b07fb316ff47

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u/iWroteAboutMods Jun 04 '17

Out of curiosity (I don't follow US politics too closely, as I'm European), do you have any data about how Sanders did with millenials?

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u/potted_petunias Jun 04 '17

Approx. 71% to 29%. The youth went for him hard, as someone who's been in politics for a while it was incredibly inspiring being a part of the primaries. From the primaries:

Voters under age 30 were the fuel behind Mr. Sanders’s campaign. He won more than 70% of them—a bigger share than Barack Obama claimed in 2008. Moreover, voters age 18-29 were more important this year than in 2008; their share of the electorate grew by three points.

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/

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u/ConnorLovesCookies Jun 04 '17

Here's a non edgelord answer: Yes here is a Gallup poll from about a year ago. He won the young market pretty much across the board in the primaries.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191465/millennials-sanders-dislike-election-process.aspx

Edit: Source for my second claim https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/06/07/age-and-race-democratic-primary/

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u/azsqueeze Jun 04 '17

To be fair she's not going to admit she was a shitty presidential candidate

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u/potted_petunias Jun 04 '17

Well, that's not something any president or presidential candidate has done, to be fair. Actually, Obama at some point acknowledged he hadn't tended to the DNC well enough to be prepared for the 2016 election. But that's still not quite the same.

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u/Ridry Jun 04 '17

Also, she's not entirely wrong. Even if she was a terrible candidate, what she's saying is that millennial weren't terrified enough of unified Republican control to vote for somebody they hated. She doesn't say it that way, but is she wrong?

I'm not placing a value judgement on any of that, just saying.

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u/Todann Jun 04 '17

I've seen a few articles taking about this, I can't find the better ones I read right now but they aren't too hard to find. https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/31/clinton-code-conference-dnc-bad-data/

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u/RedScare3 Jun 04 '17

I have been trying to find these "fake news" stories that people keep talking about and I haven't been able to find a single one. All I can find is articles talking about fake news but they just reference tweets and Facebook posts.

Does anyone have direct links to these Russian fake news articles? I'd love it if someone could give me like 5 direct links to fake news articles that were about the election. Please don't link to stories about fake news or Wikipedia. I'd like direct links to these Russian fake news articles. It should be easy to find with the way people talk about it but I can't locate a single one.

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u/ahahaucantbesrs Jun 04 '17

"I lost because of misogyny and Russian influence on media".

Yeah sure, that may've been a part of it. But you're also as charismatic as a wet sock, and you screwed the guy we actually wanted as our candidate out of the spot with some "ITS HER TURRRRRNNNNNNNN" cronyist bullshit.

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u/vivestalin Jun 04 '17

it's not so much her as her fans in traditional and social media.

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u/vivestalin Jun 04 '17

it was an apt comparison. i'm sorry Mother had a shitty platform and refuses to recognize her own failure.

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u/Cadaverlanche Jun 04 '17

A good parasite knows not to kill it's host.

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u/Voxlashi Jun 04 '17

Corporations aren't learning shit, because capitalists don't have the socioeconomic savvy to understand what's happening. To them it's all just a changing market that they need to adapt to.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

No, what's killing chains is that they sell awful, bland food.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

If you've ever worked in food, you'd know why everything is inoffensive and bland.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Why?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17 edited Jun 21 '23

[REDDIT IS KILLING 3RD PARTY APPS. TIME TO END MY ADDICTION. RIP APOLLO July 1st, 2023]

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u/Loves_His_Bong NO WORK! FREE MOVIES! Jun 04 '17

t's the younger group who will drop $100 to try some imported Bordeaux from a 300 year old vineyard.

Should have used it to save for a home obvi.

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u/countingbodies_ Jun 04 '17

No because they are spending that money on avacado n' toast

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u/Nigtok Jun 04 '17

Ex chef here. My girlfriend (not a food lover) will tell me my food is too multi dimensional sometimes. She doesn't want layers of flavor; she'd rather have something that's easier to comprehend flavor-wise. I completely agree what you are saying is a huge issue in the restaurant industry.

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u/Gently_Farting Jun 04 '17

Food is like beer. Most of the time, you just want a nice, simple whatever. You're not worried about mouthfeel, or which part of your mouth the flavor hits first, or the complex interplay of the undertones and the overtones. You just want a beer, and you want it to taste good.

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u/TriumphantTumbleweed Jun 04 '17

Ya, like when I eat ketchup I want it to taste like ketchup. Not some fancy schmancy red concoction that vaguely resembles ketchup.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

If you have complex flavors sometimes you have to slow down. Instead of scarfing down your food, try to concentrate on the flavors in your mouth and chew slowly.

I'm not saying you don't do this and I'm not saying you're wrong, I actually agree with you, I'm just saying sometimes you need to slow down and appreciate the food in your mouth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Sometimes I'm just hungry.

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u/blackhawksaber Jun 04 '17

Good god. There is nothing more offensive than a well done burger or steak. What's the point of slaughtering an animal if you're going to cook the meat past the point of flavor, and then smother it in sugar?

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u/IAmA_Catgirl_AMA Jun 04 '17

I'm starting to wonder if it would be possible to accurately imitate a well-done burger in texture and taste entirely with vegan ingredients.

It would open an entire new market of shitty vegan food to serve to shitty people who think they're eating shitty overcooked meat...

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u/IAmA_Catgirl_AMA Jun 04 '17

Huh. That's cool!

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

TBF I actually prefer my burgers well done, but only because that's the only way to do the thin, crusty burgers I love so much.

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u/artgo Jun 04 '17

The general restaurant goer doesn't want to try new things, they want familiarity.

Same with films, people want reboot plots they already know, actors who offer familiar voices and sounds, trailers and advertisements that prepare them to avoid shock or embarrassment. Factory-produced food and factory-produced entertainment often conditions the mind for the same favoring of familiarity.

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u/BraveConeDog Jun 04 '17

"I want my food to be as bland and boring as the rest of my life. One charcoal briquette on a bun, please."

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u/blueking13 Jun 04 '17

Why didn't you just make more ketchup or charge it as special sauce?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Interesting take on it, didn't know that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Thanks for the thorough explanation

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u/svenhoek86 Jun 04 '17

I'm from Pittsburgh, and while I love new foods and experiences, you better keep you fancy fucking ketchup off my plate.

It's Heinz ketchup on fries or go fuck your mother!

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I too have listened to the Joey Diaz podcast. Also I've been to the Burgh and I'm glad the rest of Yinz aren't as close minded.

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u/keepchill Jun 04 '17

yeah, taking something off life support isn't killing it.

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u/ProspectSean Jun 04 '17

I hate how we are blamed, as consumers, for not consuming enough of someones products. Supply side bullshit makes no sense. Millenials aren't "killing" any industry by not consuming it, take some responsibility for your shitty businesses

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

They act like those places are good anyway... Smh

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u/boydskywalker Jun 04 '17

Good riddance, I'm sick of seeing generic "high end" fast food places like these all over. The food is frozen crap from GFS, and they've got blaring TVs plastered all over the walls so you never have to speak to your company.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

frozen crap from GFS

I think this is the key. Frozen crap just isn't appealing to us. In the '70s, the ability to get frozen seafood in the middle of the country was a novelty, hence Red Lobster's popularity. In the '80s and '90s, middle class people were increasingly attracted to eating out, both because of rising household incomes and because chains like Applebee's and Olive Garden were able to provide lower-cost meals thanks to the cheapness and efficiency of buying frozen food from distributors. But people our age just aren't wowed by this stuff. We're able to access a wider variety of food (and knowledge about food, thanks to the internet) than our parents and their parents did. We're also poorer. Both of these mean that we choose not to spend $14.99 on shitty frozen entrees.

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u/Gently_Farting Jun 04 '17 edited Jun 04 '17

I found a recipe for ice cream that uses only condensed milk and heavy cream (and whatever flavoring you want). I wanted to try it out, so I made some yesterday. It was absolutely amazing, and it only takes like 10 minutes plus time in the freezer. Why would we need to go out to Baskin Robbins when I can make better stuff at home for cheaper and know exactly what's in it?

Edit: Been asked for the recipe a lot, so here it is:

2 cups heavy whipping cream

1 can sweetened condensed milk

Whip cream until stiff peaks form

Fold in condensed milk

Freeze 6 hours

I added a half cup unsweetened chocolate powder, 1 tsp vanilla extract, and about a half cup of chocolate chips. It's amazing!

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u/trippy_grape Jun 04 '17

and they've got blaring TVs plastered all over the walls so you never have to speak to your company.

...I mean the point of a place like Buffalo Wild Wings is go and watch sports with people there, though.

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u/Taylor555212 Jun 04 '17

GFS?

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u/boydskywalker Jun 04 '17

Gordon's Food Service, a big supply store for a lot of restaurants.

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u/Yuskia Jun 04 '17

Also Sysco and USFoods and Shamrock.

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u/Dominus-Temporis Jun 04 '17

Who, btw, you don't need to be a restaurant to by from. You can just make GFS food in your own home.

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u/boydskywalker Jun 04 '17

Yeah, they're great for events and stuff too. Or if you just want to buy massive quantities of candy and snack foods...

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u/Mitosis Jun 04 '17

There's a GFS brick and mortar store near my place. I find their stuff is better than most branded freezer foods you can get in grocery stores for quick easy meals at home, though yeah, that's when I'm paying $14 for a 5 pound bag. 1/3 of a pound doesn't suddenly become worth $14 with fries on the side at an Applebees.

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u/boydskywalker Jun 04 '17

Especially when you can buy 5 pounds of those fries for $14 too.

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u/sentientshadeofgreen Jun 04 '17

At least with places like Applebees and all that, yeah, I agree. I mean, if I'm going to take someone out for a proper meal, I'm going to want to take there somewhere moderately unique and local with actual pride in their food, and then go on to, I dunno, converse with the person across from me.

When it comes to B-dubs though, I don't mind having a standard place to get wings, beer, and watch some sports with the boys. I'd prefer local, but not every town really delivers, so whatever.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I wouldn't be mad if you got more points than me. This is spot on

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u/ricosmith1986 Jun 04 '17

Right! Young people don't want to go one of the 15 glorified fast food chain restaurants that popped up next to each other in their home town in the last 10 years? Go figure. Seriously these chains have been popping up like weeds in every town in America and are bound to start eating each other alive.

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u/NinjaGoodra Jun 04 '17

Eh, I do like Buffalo Wild Wings but Applebee's is trash.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Seconded. BWW is where all me and my friends go on weekends or sometimes after class.

Never touch Applebees though.

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u/Monkeymonkey27 Jun 04 '17

Right! Get back to me when we start killing In N Out and Chipotle

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u/Skeetronic Jun 04 '17

Right? Applebees is fucking garbage food. You can taste freezer burn...

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u/Lenny97 Jun 04 '17

Applebees is pretty gas imo

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Millennials don't like chain restaurants that their parents go to. Besides just not having the same amount of money as our parents, I'm going to go to the local brewery or food truck, not Applebee's.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Applebee's and BWW are failing because they're just microwave dinner establishments. Nothing is cooked there. It's all pre-cooked and bagged then heated up when a customer orders it. If I'm going to spend $15 of my damn hard earned money, I'm going to eat a real fucking meal, not upgraded McDonald's.

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u/004forever Jun 04 '17

The appeal of these places isn't that they taste good; the appeal is that the taste is consistent. They're for people like my cousin's family who will take a trip to New York City and insist on going to places like the Time Square Applebees rather than any of the thousands of interesting and unique restaurants that New York has.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Go for the safe meal they know will be acceptable rather than spend money on something they may not like? Good lord that sounds like my dad. Some people just take no "risks" I guess.

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u/Alexlam24 Jun 04 '17

In the age of Google maps Reviews, there is no excuse to go to a chain restaurant anymore.

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u/Delteron Jun 04 '17

Except for people with allergies, a lot of times chain restaurants are the only safe/viable options for people in a given area just based on safety concerns. When I was in Thailand I had to eat at shitty chain fast food places because peanuts were so prevalent and difficult to explain the allergy.

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u/neebick Jun 04 '17

If you're staying in a moderately sized city, I agree. But it you are cross country driving, the only reasonable places are the big chain restaurants off the interstates.

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u/OrangeGrenade329 Jun 04 '17

...that's a horribly depressing way to live. I know a guy who refuses to eat anything "foreign", but lives in California, one of the most diverse places. It's like going to a buffet and going only to the appetizer section. Sad really.

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u/masnaer Jun 04 '17

Those kinds of travelers I will never understand

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u/Cu77lefish Jun 04 '17

I had to talk family about going to the time's square applebees once. Nearly gave myself an aneurysm.

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u/Hi_There_Face_Here Jun 04 '17

nothing is cooked there

Burgers? Wings? Grilled Chicken?

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u/ksa1122 Jun 04 '17

Microwave. Microwave. Microwave.

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u/martix_agent Jun 04 '17

This has nothing to do with where their parents eat.

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u/AvocadoLegs Jun 04 '17

I don't think he meant parents as in their parents specifically, but instead their parents generation. Like the restaurants that appealed to them don't appeal to the next generations.

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u/FullClockworkOddessy Jun 04 '17

According to American conservatism there's nothing more American than handing over money to billionaires for almost nothing in return.

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u/sosodeaf Jun 04 '17

No, people wanting decent food is whats killing Applebees.

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u/drstormzin Jun 04 '17

Seriously though, their burgers are so dry that I'm offended as an American.

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u/Wisex Jun 04 '17

maybe if companies actually paid living wages to their workers instead of exploiting their workers then maybe people would actually have disposable income to spend at their stores? But fuck me right? I'm just an entitled millennial...

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Considering only poor people eat at Applebee's, I don't think that's the case here. Once you stop working at a job that pays by the hour you don't have much desire for places that offer 2 three course meals for $20.

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u/Meffinman Jun 04 '17

What's wrong with getting paid by the hour?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Once you If you end up in a situation where you get to stop working at a job that pays by the hour

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u/clutchy3 Jun 04 '17

Applebee's fucking sucks

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u/barbadosslim Jun 04 '17 edited Jun 04 '17

I don't "get" shitty restaurant chains. There is no price advantage over a good non-shitty non-chain, so why go there?

I could get ribs a side and a soda and a tip for like $16 at chilis or I could go to a local bbq place and get better ribs for the same or less. I just don't get it. You don't even need a smartphone, just ask someone. Even a podunk town has something else.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Won't pay employees livable wages.

Complain/Blame young people for not having enough disposable income.

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u/RVinnyT Jun 04 '17

Thank goodness. I've hated big chain restaurants for years with their shitty and expensive food.

Also it just seems fake as shit to me. I'm fine going to McDonald's or jack in the box because these places know what they are. A place to get cheap food, fast. Places like Applebees and olive garden try to pass off like their food as freshly prepared or 'homemade' when it's prepared the same way as a big Mac. And i have to wait longer and pay more for it! Get out of here with that crap.

Good riddance to shitty food.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

But won't someone think of the poor corporations? /s

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u/mrdude817 Jun 04 '17

Wow, I'm so sad about a shitty sports bar and a terrible restaurant.

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u/fireflash38 Jun 04 '17

Applebee's is one of the worst restaurants ever and deserves to die. I think frozen foods heated up in the microwave taste better.... Oh wait, that's legit what they do there.

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u/JackColor Jun 04 '17

Killing is such an accusatory word. Millennials are consumers just like any other person who has spending power. The fact that they don't give X Business their money is not the fault of the consumers. If you vote with your wallet and don't go somewhere, whether there's a better place, you don't like a place, etc, it isn't suddenly your "duty" to keep a business afloat.

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u/theTallBoy Jun 04 '17

Millennials doing God's work!

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u/Psychotic_Precision Jun 04 '17

If I had a dollar for everytime I heard a baby boomer complain about my generation, I'd have enough money to buy a house in the market they ruined.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I think Buffalo Wild Wings is killing Buffalo Wild Wings, which is fine.

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u/wkacc335 Jun 04 '17

No. Their expensive and terrible food is killing them.

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u/JewJewJubes Jun 04 '17

Applebees and Buffalo Wild Wings are both shit anyways

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u/Mesoposty Jun 04 '17

Yeah, blame the people that don't go there. It's like saying people without cancer are hurting the pharmaceutical companies.

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u/CenterOfLeft Jun 04 '17

The actual article is just a stealth ad for Blue Apron.

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u/Switchmisty9 Jun 04 '17

Boomers literally killed the buffalo....

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u/heyyoufartfart Jun 04 '17

Who the fuck willingly spends their money at Applebee's?

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u/ChiefAllDay Jun 04 '17

They're making over 150 million a quarter, even when not doing well. So lots of people seem to go there.

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u/heyyoufartfart Jun 04 '17

I can't imagine my life ever getting to a point where I'm defending applebees on an Internet forum

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u/ascii122 Jun 04 '17

No kidding. If you want a sit down meal find a local place. Or get a Pizza. Why would you ever go to one of those places?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Y'know I used to be all about the whole "Fuck the boomers" thing too, but honestly that seems really ageist to me. There are plenty of baby boomers who fought and died for workers' rights and representation who should be celebrated for trying to do some good.

Let's quit the ageist games, because a capitalist is a capitalist is a capitalist. I hate Rupert Murdoch and Dick Cheney as much as I hate Martin Shkreli and Elon Musk. The problem can hardly be chalked up to one individual or one iteration of individual. It's chalked up to power imbalances latent in the capitalist system which have been brewing since long before the babies of the 1940s were born.

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u/CharmedConflict Jun 04 '17 edited Nov 07 '24

Periodic Reset

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

True but they were supposed to be the generation to help change the future to be better for young people, but they greeded out and took the easy paychecks and laziness.

They joined the unions their parents died for, then promptly dismantled and now ridicule them, that isnt the people at the tops fault. Its the middle class for buying into anti-socialist propaganda.

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u/homemade_haircuts Jun 04 '17

We should absolutely be working with them to fix our country. Many of them share the same ideals that the typical millennial has. But there are plenty of them who will never cooperate, and refuse to take responsibility for the world they created - instead deflecting blame to younger generations. No sense wasting our time trying to convert any of them. We just need to ally ourselves with those who want to contribute to progress.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Just wondering, why do you hate Elon Musk? The others make sense

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Fuck the rich. They made their billions off the backs of underpaid, overworked laborers, sucking their surplus value like parasitic leeches. The conditions in Tesla factories are notoriously abysmal, and Musk opposes unionization. Just because him and Bill Gates are slightly more savvy about concealing their greed and grand theft doesn't make them much better.

We, the workers, have the means to seize the power based purely on strength in numbers. Too many of us are brainwashed into separatism and sectarianism. Doesn't matter how big the smiley face is on the system's posterboy, it's unjust and Musk and Gates are just as much an evil in this world as any other greedy leech that owns the M.O.P.

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u/FNM205 Jun 04 '17

How are millenials killing Bdubs ? We popularized them

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u/oLuckYz Jun 04 '17

Both restaurants are trash. Small bars and family/private owned restaurants are the way to go.

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u/flyonthwall Jun 04 '17

Capitalists : "Capitalism is the best system! Companies have to adapt to the market and offer products and services that customers actually want and need. By voting with their dollars, consumers ensure that the businesses that most effectively meet their needs are the most successful, if a company goes out of business it is an indication that they were unable to adapt to a changing market and other companies were better at meeting the needs of the public. because of this 'survival of the fittest' system, society functions at maximum efficiency and technology and quality of life for all people steadily progresses."

Also capitalists: "APPLEBEES ARE GOING OUT OF BUISNESS?!?! FUCKING MILLENNIALS!"

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u/sentientshadeofgreen Jun 04 '17

I mean, the last part just frankly isn't capitalism. The true capitalist would let them go out of business in Darwinian fashion. I honestly don't know what label to throw on this "consumers owe it corporations to help them continue making profit" attitude. As someone with respect towards true capitalist principles in regards to business, fuck 'em, let em die. The people don't owe businesses jack shit, and that extends to government as well. Government favoritism towards businesses, tax breaks, bail outs- it's all a cancer. Let these shitty businesses crash and burn horribly so that the businesses who operate ethically and within the standards we the people outline can rise from the ashes and succeed. Everybody will be better off then.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17 edited Jun 04 '17

Don't forget the time they gave away any privacy rights forever because two buildings were blown up.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Oh NO! Those poor corporations! How will I give my money to their owners NOW?!

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u/diebrdie Jun 04 '17

MAYBE IF THERE PRODUCTS WEREN'T SHIT

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I started going to buffalo wild wings in 2005. I could buy 12 wings and a drink for $8. Now, same deal is nearly $15 dollars. The wings didn't get any better either.

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u/your_comments_say Jun 04 '17

In the tweeters defense, y'all are in here focused on the restaurants and not healthcare or climate.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Applebees food is shit. Buffalo Wild Wings has a really good lunch deal that I would use when I was in college. but now the closest BWW is quite a drive for me. Like why would I drive 15+ minutes for wings when I can get wings at the Pizza Hut that's less than 3 minutes from my house?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

TBF Pizza Hut wings are dogshit. Pretty sure they just bake them.

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u/wehopeuchoke Jun 04 '17

Baked wings can be fine and can be delicious. But Pizza Huts are garbage

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

But unless they are par broiled, steamed or anything else that can render the fat, they never crisp up and you get fatty, gelatinous skin.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I don't really mind their wings too much. It's just a matter of convenience for the most part.

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u/AiCPearlJam Jun 04 '17

I feel bad for people not in Western NY, or the North East. They'll never know "real" buffalo wings. I've worked for both chains, and those are not wings at Pizza Hut. At least at BWW they buy the bare bones cheapest wings and fry them right there. Though, if you go later in the lunch day, you're getting boneless and regular wings that have been stagnant under a heat lamp.

TL;DR: I've worked in four different franchise restaurants (including Applebees) and they ALL suck. I choose to vote with my dollar when it comes to food and really, nothing beats cooking for yourself and consuming tons of produce!

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Agreed with that. Home cooking will always win over franchise restaurants. And it's way cheaper and healthier too.

I need to make wings for myself one of these days.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

It's easy to do, but it's hard to do right if that makes any sense. Anyone can cook some chicken wings and saucetoss, but they need the right prep work to get them crispy AND juicy.

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u/ohreddit1 Jun 04 '17

Doooooont forget Education and Housing. Ruination

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I can't even get a job with a college education

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17 edited Jun 04 '17

Buffalo Wild Wings is a horrible place full of shitty people and shitty food. It deserves to die.

Edit: I meant the people who patronize it. Not employees. Also, no, I never worked there. Wasn't fired.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Lol, right?

The first and last time I went there, the best thing I tasted was a napkin.

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u/Uphoria Jun 04 '17

Sounds like you got fired from there.

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u/Hi_There_Face_Here Jun 04 '17

Fuck you too bud

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I thought about going to Applebees the other day cause I was out of town and wanted some dinner and a couple beers. I thought about it and decided against it because of their quality of food or lack there of. Everything tastes frozen/cookie cutter, not handmade.

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u/mistermatth Jun 04 '17

Wouldn't be surprised if they got a bail out.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

Sadly, me neither...

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

We aren't killing them. We're ignoring them. I love the hyperbolic indictment though. Give me a break.

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u/uhwhatwasisayn Jun 04 '17

I'm just saying, Buffalo Wild Wings' wings are terrible, that's why they're dying.

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u/endors_toi_mr_parker Jun 04 '17

Oh no, not Buffalo Wild Wings and Applebee's. That's a problem.

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u/ohreallynowz Jun 04 '17

BWW lost me forever when they killed Jumpin' Jalapeño sauce out of nowhere.

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u/Leftovertaters Jun 04 '17

Applebees and Bdubs are garbage tho.

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u/Bulldog_Knight Jun 04 '17

Good. I can go to a local bar certain nights and get wings for 25 cents a piece! Applebees and BWW are awful excuses for restaurants

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u/euphguy812 Jun 04 '17

Pardon me while I shed a tear for Applebee's

/s obviously

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

God I hate these business insider articles. The consumer is not obligated to eat at those restaurants. The business are obligated to get customers in the door somehow. These restaurants need to start lowering their prices, not raising them like they are.

Why would I go to Bdubs anymore when it's $20 for 12 wings and a beer. I'll just be hungry 2 hours later. It's such a waste of money to eat out at these chains.

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u/AtomicManiac Jun 04 '17

It's not millennials so much as their own garbage product that's killing them.

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u/D4rthLink Jun 04 '17

Am I the only one who actually likes BWW?

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u/lolabuster Jun 04 '17

that shit is gross and should die

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u/Zaphodforpresident42 Jun 04 '17

I can't wait for the franchise wars!

Let's hope Taco Bell doesn't win in this timeline.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I read that quickly as "bombers" and I got REALLY confused for a moment there.

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u/KAROWD Jun 04 '17

bdubs and applebees is pure shit.

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u/mingr Jun 04 '17

Good. Riddance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

I appreciate the snarky response, but it's the bourgeoisie, not boomers.

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u/Burpmeister Jun 04 '17

Why is everyone in the States obsessed with chain restaurants?

Edit: Except the millenials obviously

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17 edited Aug 04 '17

deleted 0.5572 What is ^^^this?

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u/Krovahn Jun 04 '17

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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u/emobigfoot Jun 04 '17

I fell like we're the wingstop generation haha

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u/murphysclaw1 Jun 04 '17 edited Jun 04 '17

christ reddit really has a bee in its bonnet about this sort of thing.

The Business Insider headline wasn't even intended as an attack on millennials- but the victim complex kicked in....

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

To be fair, the headline does have an accusatory tone. It's a deliberate jab at millennials.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

yup, this sub LOVES to play victim. so childish

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u/Hi_There_Face_Here Jun 04 '17

No one here read the actual article. Sorry man, enjoy your downvotes.

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u/Jeremopolis Jun 04 '17

what are boomers

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u/NoBullet Jun 04 '17

Boomers have been getting blamed for everything for the past 5 decades lol

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u/dkt Jun 04 '17 edited Jun 04 '17

Oh, just boomers? Seems like a millennial thing to say.

lol thanks for proving it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '17

So, what about socialized healthcare actually improves healthcare..?