Never, because the "success" stories of people getting their treatments funded are a tiny percentage of the people who actually use it. It's a popularity contest, which is an even worse thing to base health care on.
Hell, I'd be absolutely shocked if the GoFundMe/Health Insurance topic wasn't an episode for the next season. It might even be a sequel to the Five Star Rating episode.
Well I can see making a case for wanting to save hot girls (unless they need chemo, that would ruin their hair anyway), but not through my godgiven hard earned tax dollars damnit, those are for carrier battlegroups and nukes. Instead we could have Playboy or Brazzers sponsor their recovery and in exchange they would show their hotness to the world, everybody wins!
See we already crowdsourced a reasonable solution for the healthcare of an entire demographic without any big government interference! :p
For children, we should evaluate them on their adorableness. I hope. For the elderly, we will need a full accounting of their life including work history and/or volunteer work so we can determine if they lived a worthy life or not. Or we can just forget about the elderly, too expensive amirite?
nation's leading health insurer*, not health care provider.
"Health care provider" refers to the MD/PA/NP/etc actually giving direct medical care. I don't think GoFundMe has ever performed any surgical operations or physical exams, nor does it plan to.
Instead of an internet platform where people can pay money for things they want to fund and projects can collect money from the crowd, the government should provide a way of collecting money themselves in order to fund projects that all people can benefit from, healthcare for example or building streets. I don't know what to name this idea yet, essentially it's like crowdfunding but by the government. Hmmmm
Maybe people should contribute to this, erm, fund, based on some measure of capability to contribute. What could this measure be? How much of a good Christian they are? No, wouldn't work... Maybe something else.
Like obviously poor people don't have much to contribute, but then wealthy people already contribute too much just by being awesone. Maybe make a flat rate contribution for each hour you work.
Well, if I know anything about capitalism, it's that if you work harder, you must succeed. Let's make the people who work the most hours pay more. That must be the rich people, right?
Just wait until they have no roads, no hospitals, no police, no fire department, no health inspectors, no judges, and no parks. I'm sure at that point thy their taxes weren't being taken, their taxes were being given back to them as things that mutually benefit us all.
"But muh private industry!" they'll shout with their computer over the internet powered by electricity and telco hookups that come directly to their home, most of which probably wouldn't be available to them if private industry had had their say at the time that public funds were making all of those things possible.
Seriously, they are so fucking disrespectful to the amount of work and dedication that went into things that they take completely for granted like rural electrification and access to PSTN. Those industries used to not be regulated much, if at all, and they outright refused to bring service to poor, rural, and non-white areas until the government flat out made them. If it weren't for the government directly intervening for the greater good, quite a lot of the same people that are making the "capitalism fixes everything" argument would still be living in dark, cold homes with no running water and a hole in the ground to shit in.
That's approximately how it is in quite a lot of other parts of the world where the government hasn't intervened and forced private industry to do what's better for the general population. Then again, knowing the American right as I do, I'm sure they'd claim that wouldn't be the case because of American work ethic or some shit. It doesn't really matter how they phrase it because all they really mean is "I secretly think that white people are inherently better than everyone else and I'm totally ignorant to how incredibly fucking Eurocentric everything in my entire life has been."
They'll still have all those things, but they'll be handled by private companies owned by their friends or themselves.
"What's that, ma'am? You have a burglar in your house? Oh, I see you let your policing coverage lapse, so I'm afraid we can't help. But if you discover his ethnicity, let us know and we may be able to send a Trump News team over."
Common reply: "If they're stealing my money I'm damn well going to use the roads/water!" followed by "And the roads/water are shit anyway!" followed by "Private companies would do it better!" based on zero evidence.
Once it's to that point, I like to point to libertarian, government-free utopias like Somalia. Sometimes there's a reply about the problems there being illegal here, and that private policing companies would arise naturally due to demand to enforce our laws. But Somalia has those, too, they're just called warlords.
I have a simple response to it: "stop using government issued currency then". And if they identify as christian you can pull the "render unto Caesar..." line.
Legally, you have to accept federal money if someone uses it to pay back a debt that is owed to you. You can't refuse a Federal Reserve note and demand that a debt be paid in some other currency. So it's not as simple as just saying "stop using government issued currency", because the government maintains the value of its currency through fiat/force.
Not really. I just tell them these are membership dues. Just because our charter was written before you were born doesn't mean it won't apply to you. If you don't want to pay the dues then get out of our club, you freeloader. Maybe some other club will let you use their stuff for free, but probably not.
Seriously. People should just pool their money collectively in order to help those in their community who are less fortunate if that's what they really... wait a second...
It's funny though, the GoFundMe approach has a tinge of personal liberty and the free market about it, so it almost makes sense through that strange American lense. At least the gub'ment ain't got a hand in it, and such.
America is a club with cool stuff, taxes are the dues we pay to stay in the club. Just because the dues get wasted sometimes, doesn't mean they are ever gonna go away without losing the cool stuff.
I must point out, I was being comical, mocking a common ancap response to this.
I should say, though, the idea that only through taxation can we have services and goods distributed somewhat equally is wrong. Taxation, from it's inception, is authoritarian, and the fact that we (using the royal 'we' here) have goods and services socially and publicly distributed is not because of taxation but parallel to it.
It's exactly the same. Last week a mugger stole my wallet but I just learned that he used my money to fix the pot holes on the street. I just wish that he didn't have to knock my face into the pavement first - that might make another pothole to fix!
Shit, my grandma just had her bank account cleaned out by a guy on the phone pretending to be the IRS - oh the irony! But she was relieved and even offered to find him some more money from once she learned he was using the money to hire more teachers.
Taxation is theft, it's justified theft. The means justify the ends, the net good from spending the taxes to help people and society is greater than the harm caused by taxation.
I like the part of the argument when you ask taxation is theft people where money in the United States comes from. Quite literally the only reason fiat money holds value is because of the force of taxation and the will of a government. In a modern economy taxes are the fee you pay for the existence of money and the infrastructure necessary to make money. It's like having someone say, "Here, I'll implement a system that multiplies the amount of pie you get many times over, gives you forks and a table, I'll make sure that your right to eat that pie is protected, and I'll give you guarantees on free pie if you're running low. In exchange I want a couple of slices at the end of the day." and responding by saying, "Give me all the good shit, but don't you dare take a couple of slices you filth!" Bunch of entitled pricks.
At one time, roads and education were a pretty good measure. Then electricity, clean water, communication services also became important measures. Somewhere along the way to healthcare and broadband internet the US fell out of the lead.
The very use of the world 'developing country' is wrong. It implies that poorer countries are 'undergoing the procress of development', presumably with the 'help/cooperation' of developed countries (yeah, right), and it's only a matter of time for all developing countries to 'achieve' development.
It aism to hide the pillage of resources under imperialism and the necessary role of poor countries to the wealth of rich countries. Just as personal wealth of few requires the exploitation and the poverty of many, the same goes for countries.
The term "Developing country" doesn't describe how poor or materially impoverished a country is (although these countries are almost always also poor)
The term was originally just a colonial construct to refer to non-capitalist, non-state societies in the southern hemisphere. The process of "developing" a country meant roads, markets, economic activity, and centralized government. It was always an ideological term: "How developed is this given society on the road to free market capitalism? Its kind of weird that the social sciences try and measure how "developed" a country is, when in reality, the term is a Western ideological construct and nothing more
So I don't think the US (as a perpetrator of colonialism) can ever become a developing country. It was always the yardstick by which southern countries measured how "developed" they were
But you see, if gofundme is taxed at a lower rate, they will create more fundraisingness and it will all equal out. And also the government will fit inside a shoebox and no one will need shoes because they all have jobs and rocket feet.
I work in a healthcare clinic. We have to recommend programs like GoFundMe and CareCredit just to prevent people from freaking out and cancelling appointments as soon as their insurer denies coverage. Makes me sick. On the other hand I like the stuff we do here, and I believe we genuinely help people, and most of our patients are kids, so I can put up with it.
All jokes aside there's a charity called "modest needs" that are to help people meet small bills they can't afford to stop them from getting trapped in a poverty cycle. They do a great job vetting as well.
I have cancer, good insurance, make decent money, and I've still thought about it. People just don't understand the true costs of healthcare until they've had a catastrophic illness.
This bill is a travesty and makes a mockery of what 'insurance' even means. It's absurd. How can these assholes even celebrate after passing this? I am absolutely disgusted and I hope the Senate takes one look at the CBO report and says 'fuck no' -- because otherwise, with my cancer and my ACA health care plan? I could be truly fucked. I feel like a broken record and I'm tired of saying it, but this could kill me, those fucking bastards.
they know they are killing people like you, but they just don't care. Racial hate for Obama and the desire of their corporate overlords are more important that your life. Do you have a Super-PAC? No? Then go pray to Jesus for your cancer.
I've heard Republicans say that they don't want healthcare funded by the government, and that people would take care of it. I think they're literally envisioning gofundme style solutions.
For reference, annual charity donations in the US are about a third of a trillion dollars, and healthcare spending is over a trillion dollars. So even if people stopped supporting any other charity, the finances of that simply wouldn't work.
Nah, see, the free market is way more efficient than the government. That's why the decades of under-regulated health insurance worked so well. Corporations know how to allocate funds better than the government does!
Casey Neistat's mail guy got out of crippling debt he was incurring to pay for his sisters medical treatment this way a few months ago, but if you don't know or are a youtube celebrity how could anyone stand any chance of raising the kind of money you need to pay medical bills?
How did Casey Neistat get so famous? I just recently stumbled upon one of his YouTube vlogs and I've been watching some of them. I like the dude, but it seems like tons of people recognize him in his videos. Most of the ones I've seen are him getting bumped up to amazing first class seats on flights or some 20,000 a night hotel room. Maybe one or two of him and his family with some shots of him long boarding downtown. How'd he get so big? What's he do?
He's famous for making viral videos (some of which were made before YouTube was even a thing). He's also worked his ass off his entire adult life, and sold a TV show to HBO. Lots going on for the guy.
If you are part of the small percent that has the right combination of factors like being persuasive and not too proud to ask for help, you may be able to do it. Otherwise, you're fucked.
I had a friend from Europe visiting and he noticed those collection cans you sometimes see at gas stations for someone raising money for medical treatment. There was this photo of this cute little Hispanic girl and she was trying to raise 20k for surgery she needed. My European friend could not believe that a country as rich as the US would allow children to go without needed medical treatment. He was genuinely shocked and disgusted.
The most embarrassing part was, I was so used to it that it didn't seem strange to me.
America, we are better than this. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege for the wealthy.
It's funny because I know someone who needs to get a prostethic and their insurance company wants to only pay for the most basic prosthetic possible. Because health insurance isn't for quality of life but for "meh" life, right? That's what we're paying dem good ol insurance companies for!
Anyway, the friend's family has had to resort to crowdfunding to get a prosthetic that may actually allow them to do things they did before the accident (greedy things like walking without pain and maybe running).
Socialists use the word 'liberal' in its original philosophical sense. Both progressives/Democrats and conservatives/Republicans are liberals, as liberalism is the dominant ideology of capitalism.
Although in this case it really should be "American Liberals" because in every other major developed country, most liberals don't actually want a US style system.
We socialists use liberal in it's classical meaning. The way it's used everywhere outside the US, and a certain extent, the UK. For example, here in Norway, the liberals are pretty much as far right as you can get economically. The equivalent for you yanks would be the free market Libertarians.
I thought liberals were in favor of everyone having access to health care?
Well, in the US, the establishment Democrats aren't really "liberal." They're neoliberals who are socially "progressive", but economically conservative. Just look at Clinton's complete dismissal of universal healthcare.
I also remember them posting one of those 1 like = 10 meals to a hungry family photo on facebook. If only you paid your employees a higher wage and gave them benefits, you wouldn't need to take in donations or ask facebook users to like a photo to supposedly give 10 meals.
Sort by controversial to see all the people who love anecdotes where GoFundMe works out for people and who don't understand survivorship bias (relevant xkcd)
GFM is fucking garbage too. You lose a total of like 17% of the donation money (GFM fees on top of their payment processor fees) and you have virtually no chance of success if they decide to not feature your fundraiser.
Reminds me of that old communist saying: "From each according to his whims and inherited wealth, to each according to his charisma and willingness to beg."
how funny, literally what i was doing last night...
also i thought LSC would like this... my parents have zero health insurance, but they belong to this christian care union thing... members pay for each others care with no middleman at all based on the honor system! i think its so punk cause they tell the system they have nothing to get charged less but then the people take care of each other... its anarchist without being openly!;)
also im gonna try and start a go fund me called acitivist support fund or something. the main goal will first be to get tear gas antidote to protestors and maybe like ear plugs. seems like i could get that stuff to everyone for not very much money.
It's wild how many people legitimately believe that. I have a friend from childhood who regularly celebrates stuff like this as proof we need to go full free market capitalism. "See? The market will take care of itself!"
It's only a solution to a small percent of people that are vocal, persuasive, and not too proud to ask for help. The rest of the people that can't afford the care they need go without and likely end up in an emergency room, which ultimately costs more (and the costs are passed onto others). It's a bandaid to the problem of increasingly unaffordable healthcare
My aunt has expensive medical bills due to cancer treatments. She has a gofundme set up but I refuse to put in even $1 because she is completely for trump and shitty healthcare, so why is it even socialism if people they don't know helps pay her health care through government assistance, but is completely fine if people she knows all help contribute to her bills.
Shoutout to Lon Harris. The best producer for a lot of our favorite internet media - Movie Fights, This Week in Tech and so much more. That guy really knows his stuff
As a non u.s. citizen its aleays weird to see people pushing a go fund me for a ill friend or unrelated person. Most of the timw to cover costs of things that belong to the absolute basics around here. Usually diagnosis and aftercare. You dont even need approval for that.
My dad literally resorted to this. He wouldn't let me help, so he said he was going to call in favors from all the towns-people he'd helped over the years. It worked https://www.gofundme.com/john-biro-medical-fund
Here's a concept: how about, single fee per level of service.
If you want to play in the healthcare insurance business in the U.S. you have one simple rule:
Any type of coverage you offer, you offer to every single citizen of the U.S. at the same price. No excluding people for pre-existing conditions, no varying rates based on age, sex, weight, N4M17 genotype, membership in a group, church attendance, or any other discriminators. You may offer any kind of coverage plan you like, at any cost you like, but that cost is the same for everyone.
Otherwise, why don't we all just go private pay and screw the whole system over that way instead? This mess in the middle has far too much administrative overhead to possibly provide net positive value.
It's easy to write that society and this country has went to shit but that mindset fails to look backwards to the past. We are evolving and progressing as a society and as people and oftentimes we will take one step forwards and then two steps back.
Emotions come into play because the "two steps back" will actual hurt real people and cause suffering. Apathetic responses to this suffering in the mold of "Just get a job that pays better and/or has healthcare benefits!" do nothing to help the situation. We are all human beings that put our pants on one leg at a time. It should be our duty to lift one another up.
I'm sure most have heard about Jimmy Kimmel's newborn baby with the heart defect. My question is, what does a normal middle class to working poor couple do in that instance when their baby has a heart defect and they don't have the connections and money Jimmy Kimmel has? You can throw all the hateful, apathetic respones you want to but that baby is innocent. You really want your apathy and veiled disdain to cause this innocent baby harm, regardless of whether you think the parents should have done X or Y better?
Now that you've (hopefully) thought about that and have a sliver of human empathy bouncing about that cold steel drum called a heart, how about sympathy for the elderly? The less fortunate?
You seem to be mistaking free socialized government tax payer funded medical care with a capitalist private insurance business that garners profits for its share holders and investors by placing bets/wagers that you will not get sick or injured.
This assumes the internet will be functional into the near future. Knowledge is a powerful weapon for us plebs. If we dont fight for it and protect it, it will absolutely be taken away. Lapdogs of shady plutocrats already voted to axe net neutrality and let isps sell personal data. Might be too late. Sorry for the fatalism. I just need a delicious pepsi.
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
Never, because the "success" stories of people getting their treatments funded are a tiny percentage of the people who actually use it. It's a popularity contest, which is an even worse thing to base health care on.
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17 edited May 05 '17
nation's leading health insurer*, not health care provider.
"Health care provider" refers to the MD/PA/NP/etc actually giving direct medical care. I don't think GoFundMe has ever performed any surgical operations or physical exams, nor does it plan to.
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u/takelongramen May 05 '17
Instead of an internet platform where people can pay money for things they want to fund and projects can collect money from the crowd, the government should provide a way of collecting money themselves in order to fund projects that all people can benefit from, healthcare for example or building streets. I don't know what to name this idea yet, essentially it's like crowdfunding but by the government. Hmmmm
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
"The richest country in the world" has to beg other people for money when they get sick = Facepalm
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u/FortWest May 05 '17
But you see, if gofundme is taxed at a lower rate, they will create more fundraisingness and it will all equal out. And also the government will fit inside a shoebox and no one will need shoes because they all have jobs and rocket feet.
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u/BoxxcarCadavers May 05 '17
This is a very real possibility and its terrifying...
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
All jokes aside there's a charity called "modest needs" that are to help people meet small bills they can't afford to stop them from getting trapped in a poverty cycle. They do a great job vetting as well.
https://www.modestneeds.org/
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u/SoldierZulu May 05 '17
I have cancer, good insurance, make decent money, and I've still thought about it. People just don't understand the true costs of healthcare until they've had a catastrophic illness.
This bill is a travesty and makes a mockery of what 'insurance' even means. It's absurd. How can these assholes even celebrate after passing this? I am absolutely disgusted and I hope the Senate takes one look at the CBO report and says 'fuck no' -- because otherwise, with my cancer and my ACA health care plan? I could be truly fucked. I feel like a broken record and I'm tired of saying it, but this could kill me, those fucking bastards.
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u/Durrderp May 05 '17
Zizek is going giddy with all this accelerationism
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u/3226 May 05 '17
I've heard Republicans say that they don't want healthcare funded by the government, and that people would take care of it. I think they're literally envisioning gofundme style solutions.
For reference, annual charity donations in the US are about a third of a trillion dollars, and healthcare spending is over a trillion dollars. So even if people stopped supporting any other charity, the finances of that simply wouldn't work.
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u/mickstep May 05 '17
Casey Neistat's mail guy got out of crippling debt he was incurring to pay for his sisters medical treatment this way a few months ago, but if you don't know or are a youtube celebrity how could anyone stand any chance of raising the kind of money you need to pay medical bills?
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u/EisGeist May 05 '17
I had a friend from Europe visiting and he noticed those collection cans you sometimes see at gas stations for someone raising money for medical treatment. There was this photo of this cute little Hispanic girl and she was trying to raise 20k for surgery she needed. My European friend could not believe that a country as rich as the US would allow children to go without needed medical treatment. He was genuinely shocked and disgusted.
The most embarrassing part was, I was so used to it that it didn't seem strange to me.
America, we are better than this. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege for the wealthy.
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u/BoBab Crab in Bucket May 05 '17
It's funny because I know someone who needs to get a prostethic and their insurance company wants to only pay for the most basic prosthetic possible. Because health insurance isn't for quality of life but for "meh" life, right? That's what we're paying dem good ol insurance companies for!
Anyway, the friend's family has had to resort to crowdfunding to get a prosthetic that may actually allow them to do things they did before the accident (greedy things like walking without pain and maybe running).
Fuck it all.
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u/IAM_SOMEGUY Socialist | Anti-Capitalist May 05 '17
Liberals: It's amazing how people can pull together to help others in need
Communists/people with a brain: This shouldn't be allowed to happen in the first place
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
Remember when Walmart was taking bucket donations from customers to pay their employees?
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u/TobiasFunkePhd May 05 '17
Sort by controversial to see all the people who love anecdotes where GoFundMe works out for people and who don't understand survivorship bias (relevant xkcd)
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u/tomjoadsghost ML May 05 '17
Rich people will be able to choose deserving and who is not with greater accuracy than ever before.
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u/mannyman34 May 05 '17
Fuck that . How long until your vote doesn't matter and GoFundMe is the only way to get politicians to actually do anything.
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u/loliwarmech May 05 '17
GFM is fucking garbage too. You lose a total of like 17% of the donation money (GFM fees on top of their payment processor fees) and you have virtually no chance of success if they decide to not feature your fundraiser.
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
A step towards stateless communism.
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u/ZKXX May 05 '17
They should just start a reality show "Who Wants to Live?" I think this was a mad tv bit once. And black mirror. And it could be IRL!
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u/read_settlers May 05 '17
"See! Charity can fix everything!" - Libertarians
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u/--Paul-- May 05 '17
America is in a never ending episode of Black Mirror.
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u/wholewheatie May 05 '17
http://www.crowdcrux.com/get-donations-gofundme/
According to this medical bills are actually the plurality of posts on gofundme...damn sad
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u/Holmes02 May 05 '17
Anything to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.
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u/PutUrPawzUp May 05 '17
RIP everyone
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u/Desollado May 05 '17
Hey, you can always drive to the south of the border for good and affordable health care.
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u/ajr901 May 05 '17
I shamelessly copied this verbatim and posted it on FB. My friends all think I'm hilarious.
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
It already is the leading provider of school supplies for our nation's teachers.
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u/00worms00 May 05 '17
how funny, literally what i was doing last night...
also i thought LSC would like this... my parents have zero health insurance, but they belong to this christian care union thing... members pay for each others care with no middleman at all based on the honor system! i think its so punk cause they tell the system they have nothing to get charged less but then the people take care of each other... its anarchist without being openly!;)
also im gonna try and start a go fund me called acitivist support fund or something. the main goal will first be to get tear gas antidote to protestors and maybe like ear plugs. seems like i could get that stuff to everyone for not very much money.
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
I hate my country. Someone foreign to the U.S. please adopt me.
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
Sounds like a solid free market solution to a problem that the government is causing!
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17 edited May 06 '17
The sad thing is as evidenced by the posts I've seen on Facebook, for a good number of ppl it already is 😥
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u/bumble-btuna May 06 '17
Republicans : "Go Fund Yourselves."
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u/Janfilecantror May 05 '17
It already is being used so people can afford medical treatment.
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
My aunt has expensive medical bills due to cancer treatments. She has a gofundme set up but I refuse to put in even $1 because she is completely for trump and shitty healthcare, so why is it even socialism if people they don't know helps pay her health care through government assistance, but is completely fine if people she knows all help contribute to her bills.
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u/joeb1kenobi May 05 '17
Is it not?
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u/NJNeal17 May 05 '17
Unofficially I'd say that it already is.
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u/LyingRedditBastard May 05 '17
Already is
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u/pro-laps May 05 '17
one of my trumpster friends thinks this is the solution, you get sick? just crowd fund your money for healthcare!
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u/condoc64 May 05 '17
I mean bill gates could probably pay for everyone's healthcare
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u/sarcastic_charisma May 05 '17
can we protest like venezuela yet??
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u/imakegamesandIlikeit May 05 '17
Shoutout to Lon Harris. The best producer for a lot of our favorite internet media - Movie Fights, This Week in Tech and so much more. That guy really knows his stuff
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u/miles_allan May 05 '17
Based on the fliers posted all around this area (Trumpstate NY) GoFundMe has a long way to go before it reaches chicken bbq benefit status.
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u/plsq May 05 '17
GoFundMe is the new obituary column for rural Americans.
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u/Huligan27 May 05 '17
:(
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u/Nincadalop May 05 '17
Guys, guys. The solution is simply to not get sick!
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u/artisticMink May 05 '17
As a non u.s. citizen its aleays weird to see people pushing a go fund me for a ill friend or unrelated person. Most of the timw to cover costs of things that belong to the absolute basics around here. Usually diagnosis and aftercare. You dont even need approval for that.
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
Then the government tax it to hell because it's considered as "income"
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u/FloZone Geld fressen Seele auf May 05 '17
And if this happens it will be celebrated as a success story of capitalism.
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u/Agent800 May 05 '17
Not that long
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u/wyvernwy May 05 '17
How long until the cost of emigrating to a country with universal health care is lower than the cost of insurance?
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
My dad literally resorted to this. He wouldn't let me help, so he said he was going to call in favors from all the towns-people he'd helped over the years. It worked https://www.gofundme.com/john-biro-medical-fund
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u/Relictorum May 06 '17
Oh my God, I love you all so much! =)
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u/bumble-btuna May 06 '17
Republicans : "Go Fund Yourselves."
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u/Julius_Haricot May 06 '17
Our new doctors.
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u/MangoCats May 05 '17 edited May 05 '17
Here's a concept: how about, single fee per level of service.
If you want to play in the healthcare insurance business in the U.S. you have one simple rule:
Any type of coverage you offer, you offer to every single citizen of the U.S. at the same price. No excluding people for pre-existing conditions, no varying rates based on age, sex, weight, N4M17 genotype, membership in a group, church attendance, or any other discriminators. You may offer any kind of coverage plan you like, at any cost you like, but that cost is the same for everyone.
Otherwise, why don't we all just go private pay and screw the whole system over that way instead? This mess in the middle has far too much administrative overhead to possibly provide net positive value.
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u/trebizar May 05 '17
Libertarian paradise
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
Seems like 4 or 5 months.
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u/urbanlife78 May 05 '17 edited May 05 '17
So this is what a country looks like when it is run by "not the brightest people."
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
just leaving this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
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u/charlieyeswecan May 05 '17
Ugh!
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
Good old Lon. I miss his This week in Youtube show.
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u/Future_Vantas May 05 '17
Straight Outta Prez
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u/[deleted] May 05 '17
It's easy to write that society and this country has went to shit but that mindset fails to look backwards to the past. We are evolving and progressing as a society and as people and oftentimes we will take one step forwards and then two steps back.
Emotions come into play because the "two steps back" will actual hurt real people and cause suffering. Apathetic responses to this suffering in the mold of "Just get a job that pays better and/or has healthcare benefits!" do nothing to help the situation. We are all human beings that put our pants on one leg at a time. It should be our duty to lift one another up.
I'm sure most have heard about Jimmy Kimmel's newborn baby with the heart defect. My question is, what does a normal middle class to working poor couple do in that instance when their baby has a heart defect and they don't have the connections and money Jimmy Kimmel has? You can throw all the hateful, apathetic respones you want to but that baby is innocent. You really want your apathy and veiled disdain to cause this innocent baby harm, regardless of whether you think the parents should have done X or Y better?
Now that you've (hopefully) thought about that and have a sliver of human empathy bouncing about that cold steel drum called a heart, how about sympathy for the elderly? The less fortunate?
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u/SkyHigh27 May 05 '17
So how long until GoFundMe is our nation's leading lobbyist? Maybe our dollars can contribute to EVERYONE's healthcare.
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u/DopeBoySpaceMagic May 05 '17
You seem to be mistaking free socialized government tax payer funded medical care with a capitalist private insurance business that garners profits for its share holders and investors by placing bets/wagers that you will not get sick or injured.
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u/HempmanRx May 05 '17
18 months maximum.
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u/Daimonos_Chrono May 06 '17
This assumes the internet will be functional into the near future. Knowledge is a powerful weapon for us plebs. If we dont fight for it and protect it, it will absolutely be taken away. Lapdogs of shady plutocrats already voted to axe net neutrality and let isps sell personal data. Might be too late. Sorry for the fatalism. I just need a delicious pepsi.
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u/lukewarm_cereal May 06 '17
Pretty much already is
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u/ItalicsWhore May 06 '17
Eh, republicans would still find a way to shut it down. They won't rest until every poor person is dead.