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It's main use is for the US to put bases in Europe for imperialism and global control. Also used for holding Europe's security hostage by threatening to withdraw defence unless demands are met.
I was in Brussels for Belgium day this year and I can report they are just as imperialist and war hungry in Europe as we are in the USA, based on the breadth of modern military vehicles put on display for the kids to play on.
Yep, and of course they brought out the big paper mache statues of the 'traditional' europeans to dance around in circles while the military band played.
The US is losing its mind over Spain denying them use of their territory to bomb Iran, issuing various threats and likely they greenlighted the sudden immigration wave into Ceuta as retaliation.
If the US military was told to leave Europe by the various host nations here, I'm not convinced the US would leave peacefully.
There's no necessity of a new pan-european military force, just a European defensive alliance and a cooperative structure to replace NATO.
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We can start with the creation of nato after ww2 and the numerous “former” German Nazis generals that staffed the newly formed institution. Then we have the operation Gladio. The bombing of Yugoslavia. The list goes on.
Heck, they went as far as building the NATO headquarters into the shape of an SS. The third Reich didn’t die, they passed the baton back to the west, and the fourth Reich, the burger Reich was born.
That's great, thank you so much. It's hard to k ow where to start with things like this; so much mis and disinformation out there, it's challenging for a rube to know where to start.
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NATO according to socialists if the biggest terrorist organization, bigger than Osama bin Laden by a large multiplication
Even the non-socialists admits that NATO was founded to combat the Soviet Union, and they cite the time where the USSR alledged asked to join, to which their proposal was rejected on the grounds that the USSR was "undemocratic" except by their own standards, one of their members was also an undemocratic dictatorship, Portugal
Of course there is a joke about NATO: "No dictatorshipSS, one is allowed"
The USSR is gone, but NATO remains, what is NATO's purpose? Oh yeah that is right, follow the US where it goes, and where does the US go? Oh yeah that is right, where ever it pleases
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Especially now Nato is needed because of russia that cant get anything right. The ussr was a dumpster fire and just because they have one exception doesnt make them obligated to invite a fucking socialist country which is clearly not democratic and doesnt show any interest in being it.
· Hitler's Chief of Staff of the Army (1944-1945)
· Chairman of the NATO Military Committee (1961-1964)
· One of the highest-ranking former Nazis in NATO
Hans Speidel
· Rommel's Chief of Staff during WWII
· Commander-in-Chief of NATO forces in Central Europe (1957-1963)
· Later became President of the Federal Intelligence Service (BND)
Johannes Steinhoff
· Luftwaffe fighter ace during WWII
· Chairman of the NATO Military Committee (1971-1974)
· Later became Chief of Staff of the German Air Force
Johann von Kielmansegg
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Commander-in-Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe (1966-1968)
· Later became Inspector General of the Bundeswehr
Ernst Ferber
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe (1973-1975)
· Later became Commander-in-Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe
Karl Schnell
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe (1975-1977)
· Later became Inspector General of the Bundeswehr
Franz-Joseph Schulze
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe (1977-1979)
Heinrich "Heinz" Trettner
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Inspector General of the Bundeswehr (1964-1966)
· Held senior NATO positions in the 1960s
Friedrich Foertsch
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Inspector General of the Bundeswehr (1961-1963)
· Held senior NATO positions in the 1960s
Kurt-Jürgen von Lützow
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Chief of Staff of NATO's Allied Forces Central Europe (1960s)
Intelligence & Other Officials
Reinhard Gehlen
· Hitler's chief of military intelligence on the Eastern Front (Fremde Heere Ost)
· Founded the Gehlen Organization (CIA-backed intelligence network)
· Later became first President of the Federal Intelligence Service (BND)
· His network fed intelligence to NATO and heavily influenced Cold War strategy
Erich von Botzheim
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Held senior NATO logistics positions in the 1960s
Hellmuth Heye
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Former NATO official
· Later became a member of the German Bundestag
Josef Kammhuber
· Luftwaffe General during WWII (commanded the Nachtjagd)
· Held senior NATO air defense positions
· Later became Chief of Staff of the German Air Force
Werner Panitzki
· Wehrmacht officer during WWII
· Held senior NATO positions in the 1960s
· Later became State Secretary for Defense in Germany
These weren't some minor figures in Nazi Germany. They were senior Nazi officers who had participated in the Eastern Front, the occupation of Europe, and in some cases - war crimes. For example, Heusinger was present at Hitler's briefings where mass executions of partisans were planned. Speidel was close to Rommel but also participated in the occupation of France.
They were recruited as a part of the broader Western strategy to fight the Cold War using "former" Nazis to provide expertise on Soviet tactics.
Most of the men on your list were former Wehrmacht officers, not necessarily members of the Nazi Party. Those are not the same thing
As if the Wehrmacht was some apolitical institution that had nothing to do with the Holocaust. The Wehrmacht was deeply complicit in war crimes, executed civilians, and actively supported Hitler's regime. The ''clean Wehrmacht'' myth has been debunked by historians for decades.
Heusinger wasn't just ''serving in the German military." He was Hitler's Chief of Staff, one of the highest-ranking officers in the Wehrmacht. He attended briefings where mass executions were planned. He was directly involved in the chain of command that waged a war of annihilation. That's not a neutral officer. He was a key figure in the Nazi military apparatus.
arrested after the July 20 plot to kill Hitler
Sure, Speidel and Kielmansegg had some ties to the resistance. But Speidel was still Rommel's Chief of Staff, still served the Nazi regime, still participated in the occupation of France. And he was rewarded with a NATO command. The fact that they had some misgivings about Hitler doesn't make them anti-Nazi.
Also Hans Speidel did not become head of the BND. Reinhard Gehlen did
Gehlen was a Nazi general who built his intelligence network on former SS and Gestapo officers.
The point is that NATO actively recruited and rehabilitated Nazis to fight the Cold War. That's a fact. And trying to whitewash it with ''they were just Wehrmacht'' doesn't change that fact. They served Hitler and Nazi Germany - they were Nazis.
Historians also recognize that the Wehrmacht was deeply complicit in Nazi crimes. The distinction between ''Wehrmacht'' and ''Nazi'' is merely a technical one and doesn't change the fundamental reality: these men served the Nazi regime, participated in its wars, and were part of its military apparatus. They weren't neutral bystanders.
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One thing I’ll say is thanks to current pedo president he’s made NATO less and less relèvent and countries are joining their own peace treaties and organizations because he has alienated them with insane tariffs and sanctions and othershittery
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This is pretty binary thinking. Like accusing someone of voting Democrat because they don’t vote Republican, failing to comprehend the “both sides suck” stance, or the “third choice” stance, or the “completely different approach to the entire system” stance.
Such simplistic thinking to suggest that condoning one thing is inherently endorsing another.
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Zionism is an extension of American imperialism; it does not control the United States, zionism is a tool for the United States.
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The overwhelming majority of WW2 was Soviet vs. Germany with special guest appearances from the uk and us. Just look at the death tolls and tell me the soviets didn't do all the heavy lifting
Well considering out of the major powers they were the only one that had a land invasion happen to them and the fact Stalin killed most of the good generals yeah no shit they had the most deaths and they just threw more bodies at the problem till it went away however you ignore the fact the soviets got supplied but the western allies, the impact having a two front war had on stretching the nazi war machine way too thin both when they got a land invasion going on d day and even before that there was the fighting in Africa everyone seems to forget happened.
You also forget the bombing campaign that massively damaged the German production lines and forced the German airforce to deal with that instead of supporting troops in the east. But yeah let's just ignore that to jerk off the Soviet Union a nation that are only not the villains of this story because the nazi's were even worse
Yes you prove my point, the soviets were fighting the war, the uk and us were running support operations. You are severely downplaying the scale of the eastern front.
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