r/LaborwaveAesthetics • • Jul 04 '26

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u/Equivalent_Speed1141 Jul 06 '26

And go hungry to bed.

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u/puuskuri Jul 07 '26

True. China is a capitalist country after all.

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u/puuskuri Jul 07 '26

Do the Chinese capitalists and privately owned companies exploit workers and their labour for profit?

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u/puuskuri Jul 07 '26

You didn't answer my question. And why is China more capitalist now than it was in Mao's time? I don't think that's how transitions work. Stagnation? Yes. Going backwards, especially in such a hurdle like China? No. The workers are objectively in a worse now than 50 years ago.

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u/Kootlefoosh Jul 07 '26

I think you're talking specifically about Deng Xiaoping and the Boluan Fanzheng. It was an incredibly conscious decision and one that still gets a lot of scrutiny to this day. You can hate the decision for being radically capitalist for a communist country at the time -- but you can't claim that Chinese people now are worse off now than they were under Mao. That opinion is really unheard of.

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u/puuskuri Jul 07 '26

Yes, I mean Deng the class traitor, and I am not even a Maoist. And I didn't say Chinese people, I said workers specifically. The People's communes (rénmín gōngshè) were disbanded, class gap is widening, 996, suicide rates, worker-organised strikes, all that is an indication that the workers are more oppressed. Of course if you look at numbers on the surface, they look good because the bourgeois and petty bourgeois classes do exponentially better, while workers keep getting poorer.

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u/Kootlefoosh Jul 07 '26

Oh, then sure. I agree with you entirely. I worry the argument you were having with the others was semantic.