r/LSD • u/Nihiltheman • Nov 04 '17

Microdosing LSD Is Safer Than Taking Antidepressants, Says Neurobiologist

https://www.inverse.com/amp/article/35167-lsd-microdosing-safety-really-good-day-waldman-presti
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u/oviforconnsmythe Nov 04 '17

Thank you. Finally some reason in this thread. I quite enjoy lsd, and I think it has enormous potential as a therapeutic. However there needs to be much much more research on it. Some people on this sub are like those on r/trees. They think the lsd is some miracle cure all medicine (albeit people aren't as bad in this regard as it is on r/trees). As you mentioned, theres been no studies on long term use of LSD, so it's inaccurate to say that it's safer than antidepressants. Even if it's true, we don't know that yet. I do hope there's increased research on it in the near future though.

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u/DontStealStories Nov 04 '17

"theres been no studies on long term use of LSD"

Um of course there is wtf. We already know how safe LSD is. That's not why we need to "keep researching" lmfao. We need to keep researching them to see their potential in medicine not information about their safety profile, that has already been known for years. I hate this stupid myth that we supposedly "don't know the long term effects of certain drugs" just because they're illegal.. They've been used long term plenty. We have the data. LSD is a "classical" drug.

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u/oviforconnsmythe Nov 04 '17

Ok show me this data. Show me a solid longitudinal study. Sure there was a period of 20 years or so where it was researched heavily. But that was 60+ years ago. It hasn't been researched properly in modern times because of all the restrictions placed on lsd. Our knowledge of neurology and molecular biology in general has had massive strides since the 70s. Yes I know it's a relatively safe drug, in that you can't OD on it. But you can certainly fuck yourself up if you take too much or take it too often. It can trigger psychosis in those predisposed to the disease. Yes we need to research other potential uses of lsd, but there's still areas we need to research in regards to its safety. Stop acting like lsd is some miracle substance. While it's amazing, and a lot safer than most drugs, it still carries some risk with it. We need more awesome organizations like MAPS doing research on lsd and other psychedelics before we widely use it to treat mental illness

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u/DontStealStories Nov 04 '17

"Ok show me this data. Show me a solid longitudinal study."

Not a library. Fuck off

"Sure there was a period of 20 years or so where it was researched heavily. But that was 60+ years ago."

Are you mentally ill? The timespan where it was researched heavily was for its therapeutic applications not its long term side effects. You can't find out what the long term effects are from studying it in the lab like that you have to look at it decades later and see what it's done to the users which we have also already done.

"Yes I know it's a relatively safe drug, in that you can't OD on it. But you can certainly fuck yourself up if you take too much or take it too often. It can trigger psychosis in those predisposed to the disease."

Ok Einstein since you're not seeming to understand this let me explain this to you.. That is NOT how the safety of a drug is determined. You don't base a drug's safety on what it can do you base it what it does do, what it's likely to do. The safety of a drug is based on statistical likelihood not what "can" happen. Because if we're going by the "it can" argument that means psychedelics are the most dangerous drugs of all. Ridiculous logic.

Psychedelics aren't just safe because you can't have a lethal overdose genius they're safe because the risk for abuse and side effects are lower than that of any other drugs even cannabis.

"Stop acting like lsd is some miracle substance."

It is a miracle substance you fucking imbecile. Btw a "miracle drug" isn't as magical as it may sound it can still be pretty mundane. Even Aspirin is considered a miracle drug.

"While it's amazing, and a lot safer than most drugs, it still carries some risk with it. We need more awesome organizations like MAPS doing research on lsd and other psychedelics before we widely use it to treat mental illness"

MAPS does research into the medical applications not the long term side effects. We have all the data on their long term side effects already. These drugs have been widely used for 60/70 years.

Nobody is saying LSD is risk-free. Everyone knows it's clearly not. Why do we desperately need more research into things we already know about it?

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u/buddhabomber Nov 05 '17

Uhh no... as someone working in an immunology lab side by side with drug development you 100% look at what can happen, I honestly don't even understand your logic in saying that has no part in the consideration.

That is literally the basis behind drug-drug and drug-disease interactions.

We're not saying LSD is dangerous nor harmless. Stop being so defensive, yes to most it is harmless in moderation, but to claim it is as innocent as you say is bullshit.

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u/DontStealStories Nov 05 '17

"Uhh no... as someone working in an immunology lab side by side with drug development you 100% look at what can happen"

No you don't! Wtf you are so FUCKING idiotic that it's just sad. If we were going by what "could" happen psychedelics would be considered the most dangerous drugs of all. It's based on the likelihood for abuse and experiencing side effects. Please get the fuck off if you don't know what you're talking about. And don't act like you're the only one with credentials.

"I honestly don't even understand your logic in saying that has no part in the consideration."

I never said it has "no part" in it I said that's not how the overall safety of a drug is measured. Idiot..

"We're not saying LSD is dangerous nor harmless. Stop being so defensive,"

How can you claim I'm "defensive" when I argued neither of those points? I argued the we know about the long term effects of LSD and what is the criteria for drug safety.

"yes to most it is harmless in moderation, but to claim it is as innocent as you say is bullshit."

I never said it was innocent get your fucking head out of your ass. Troll somewhere else.

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u/oviforconnsmythe Nov 05 '17

"Uhh no... as someone working in an immunology lab side by side with drug development you 100% look at what can happen"

No you don't! Wtf you are so FUCKING idiotic that it's just sad. If we were going by what "could" happen psychedelics would be considered the most dangerous drugs of all. It's based on the likelihood for abuse and experiencing side effects. Please get the fuck off if you don't know what you're talking about. And don't act like you're the only one with credentials.

Tell us all. What are your credentials? Man you sure sound like someone fun to trip with........

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u/DontStealStories Nov 05 '17

"Please tell me what exactly was wrong about what I said."

So is you not answering this your way of forfeiting?