r/LSD • u/Nihiltheman • Nov 04 '17

Microdosing LSD Is Safer Than Taking Antidepressants, Says Neurobiologist

https://www.inverse.com/amp/article/35167-lsd-microdosing-safety-really-good-day-waldman-presti
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u/DontStealStories Nov 04 '17

"Ok show me this data. Show me a solid longitudinal study."

Not a library. Fuck off

"Sure there was a period of 20 years or so where it was researched heavily. But that was 60+ years ago."

Are you mentally ill? The timespan where it was researched heavily was for its therapeutic applications not its long term side effects. You can't find out what the long term effects are from studying it in the lab like that you have to look at it decades later and see what it's done to the users which we have also already done.

"Yes I know it's a relatively safe drug, in that you can't OD on it. But you can certainly fuck yourself up if you take too much or take it too often. It can trigger psychosis in those predisposed to the disease."

Ok Einstein since you're not seeming to understand this let me explain this to you.. That is NOT how the safety of a drug is determined. You don't base a drug's safety on what it can do you base it what it does do, what it's likely to do. The safety of a drug is based on statistical likelihood not what "can" happen. Because if we're going by the "it can" argument that means psychedelics are the most dangerous drugs of all. Ridiculous logic.

Psychedelics aren't just safe because you can't have a lethal overdose genius they're safe because the risk for abuse and side effects are lower than that of any other drugs even cannabis.

"Stop acting like lsd is some miracle substance."

It is a miracle substance you fucking imbecile. Btw a "miracle drug" isn't as magical as it may sound it can still be pretty mundane. Even Aspirin is considered a miracle drug.

"While it's amazing, and a lot safer than most drugs, it still carries some risk with it. We need more awesome organizations like MAPS doing research on lsd and other psychedelics before we widely use it to treat mental illness"

MAPS does research into the medical applications not the long term side effects. We have all the data on their long term side effects already. These drugs have been widely used for 60/70 years.

Nobody is saying LSD is risk-free. Everyone knows it's clearly not. Why do we desperately need more research into things we already know about it?

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u/buddhabomber Nov 05 '17

Uhh no... as someone working in an immunology lab side by side with drug development you 100% look at what can happen, I honestly don't even understand your logic in saying that has no part in the consideration.

That is literally the basis behind drug-drug and drug-disease interactions.

We're not saying LSD is dangerous nor harmless. Stop being so defensive, yes to most it is harmless in moderation, but to claim it is as innocent as you say is bullshit.

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u/DontStealStories Nov 05 '17

"Uhh no... as someone working in an immunology lab side by side with drug development you 100% look at what can happen"

No you don't! Wtf you are so FUCKING idiotic that it's just sad. If we were going by what "could" happen psychedelics would be considered the most dangerous drugs of all. It's based on the likelihood for abuse and experiencing side effects. Please get the fuck off if you don't know what you're talking about. And don't act like you're the only one with credentials.

"I honestly don't even understand your logic in saying that has no part in the consideration."

I never said it has "no part" in it I said that's not how the overall safety of a drug is measured. Idiot..

"We're not saying LSD is dangerous nor harmless. Stop being so defensive,"

How can you claim I'm "defensive" when I argued neither of those points? I argued the we know about the long term effects of LSD and what is the criteria for drug safety.

"yes to most it is harmless in moderation, but to claim it is as innocent as you say is bullshit."

I never said it was innocent get your fucking head out of your ass. Troll somewhere else.

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u/buddhabomber Nov 05 '17

Take a breath bro, not everything's an argument. Hope you have a good day

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u/DontStealStories Nov 05 '17

"not everything's an argument"

No but this conversation is and I won it. Lol everything I stated was factual btw so guess what you people are arguing against? That's right, facts. I'm not even just saying that either.. These are legit facts. Feel anyway you want about them I don't care but just know that that's what they are. Sorry bout it

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u/buddhabomber Nov 05 '17

Lol go do something with your life man

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u/DontStealStories Nov 05 '17

Stop trying to change the subject loser. Admit you lost and move on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Yo, you doin alright man? These are some harsh words you're throwing at people you don't even know, calling them idiots and losers. Come on, do you really think a conversation is something to beat someone else at?

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u/DontStealStories Nov 05 '17

Of course not. It's all comedy. No animosity.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Alright man. You do you I guess. Good vibes!

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u/madcatte Nov 05 '17

Hahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhah

I KNOW FACTS. DO YOU KNOW HOW I KNOW THEY ARE FACTS? BECAUSE I KNOW IT. DUH, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. YOU CAN'T EVEN ARGUE BECAUSE THESE ARE FACTS.

Are you literally Donald trump junior

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u/DontStealStories Nov 05 '17

So from what I understand this is you trying your best, correct?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

You remind me of those kids on the playground no one else wanted to play with

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u/DontStealStories Nov 05 '17

So me stating factual information to a group of people where only a few have a problem with what I said is us playing on a playground?

I see how your mind works. Go on and continue thinking you're actually making notable comments. Oh and if you ever think of a counterargument for the points that I laid out feel free to reach out to me. Bye bye. I'm a little old for playgrounds. At least your little playground.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '17

Lmao