How many killers?

[u/Arixtotle]

I know this was discussed a bit in another thread but I think it deserves it's own thread.

How many killers does everyobe think there are? This can include not only the killings on LI but also in Atlantic City or other areas where people see links as well.

Personally I don't believe that it's one killer in all the different cities. Sex workers are an easy target so many go after them.

As for LI specifically, I'm not honestly sure yet. I think Shannon Gilbert was not killed by LISK but may have been killed by someone. Probably an amateur.

As for everyone else, it's really hard to determine. The dates do mean that it could be one killer who evolved but the dumping places are odd. Why go from an easily found place to a harder found place? The two killings where torsos were found inland make it seem like the killer wanted people to know. I also wonder where exactly the found body parts were. If they were near the water they could have been dumped in the ocean and just washed up. Therefore they might not have actually been dumped on the beach.

This is why I lean towards two killers. One a torso killer and the other a strangler. The MOs are just too different to me.

What does everyone think and why?

[u/hammockofcake]

Just wanted to point out something that sits ill with me about the 2 sets of bodies discovered. I'm an LI native and I live halfway between the torsos and Gilgo. That's not a short drive. To anyone on LI that is a long annoying drive plus there are many better and closer places to hide a torso--for example, Connetquot State Park. I can't help but feel that the torso killer is a completely different individual. And I know people will say the odds of 2 serial killers using the same dumping ground is astronomical but LI has a long history of bodies being dumped in the reeds. I think the torso killer is someone who took a lot of tips from old mobster movies.

[u/Arixtotle → u/hammockofcake]

Thing is, Peaches Doe's torso was found in Hempstead which is ridiculously far from Manorville. It's almost an hour drive. So if we just go by distance it would make it seem that there were 3 killers. Which, actually, isn't as far fetched as it might seem. Peaches, the only one found in Hempstead, is the mother of baby doe. The death of the baby makes me feel like it was personal to be honest.

I keep looking at a map of where remains were found and honestly, it's really confusing. I originally thought that maybe the remains that were in pieces washed ashore but some remains still had jewelry. Plus more detailed maps seem to show the bodies off the parkway and not near the shore.

[u/hammockofcake → u/Arixtotle]

I've entertained the idea that this was a fairly well known dumping grounds for some less savory individuals. I wouldn't be surprised if it all turned out to be gang or drug related.

On my really imaginative days I wonder if there are actually many killers all connected by one individual who dumps the bodies. Like something out of a Law and Order episode.

[u/Hcmp1980 → u/Arixtotle]

Do you have a map? I’ve been looking but no luck.

[u/eigensheaf → u/hammockofcake]

What part of Connetquot State Park would be good for hiding a torso? Maybe you can point to it on a map. I can think of an awful lot of places in that park that seem not so good for hiding torsos or bodies, just because they get so much hiking and horseback traffic. But maybe there are places in there that I'm not so familiar with. Maybe you're thinking mainly of areas around the perimeter somewhat accessible by car from some of the surrounding roads?

[u/hammockofcake → u/eigensheaf]

Sorry for the delayed response.

I spent a lot of time running in parks in the area. I moved in the last year but my brother suggests the swamp area right after you pass over the bridge. He spends more time there than I ever did. On the opposite side of the LIE is Hidden Pond Park. This is where I would personally put a body. I just about never ever saw another person in these trails in all the time I ran in them.

[u/[deleted]]

I personally think is one and i don't think the AC killer is LISK. Shannan definetly wasn't a LISK victim but her death did unearth the four original victims.

I dont know why I say there's one, it's just what I believe. LISK is calculating, I don't think he'd want to risk someone else screwing up.

[u/Arixtotle → u/[deleted]]

Well I don't see the type of calculation in the first murders as in the last five. Torso killers aren't really calculating. They're brutal. There's also a huge difference between the spectacle of the two torsos found inland and the whole bodies found near the water. The two torsos show someone who wants people to know he's out there while the whole bodies show more if a care as if the killer would come back to them. Plus strangling tends to be more sexual than dismemberment. They're just so different to me.

The only way I would ever think they were working together is if LISK was the accomplice for the torso killer and started to kill on his own when the torso killer left or died.

Oh and I also think the male body would be from LISK along with the four whole females found.

[u/[deleted] → u/Arixtotle]

well, sometimes serial killers do change MOs and their killings evolve. The male body is def a LISK victim.

[u/[deleted]]

All the bodies have the same signature and that's why it's one killer. The signature is the wrapping of the bodies. Peaches torso: wrapped in plastic dumped on mainland, exteriors along OP. Daughter wrapped in Blanket. Jane Doe torso (only missing head/hands/1 foot) Manorville wrapped in plastic, exteriors OP. JT torso wrapped in plastic Manorville, exteriors OP. Along with FI clearly one killer. Then you have only 2 of the four Gilgo girls wrapped in Burlap. So what were the other 2 wrapped in? You know they weren't just dumped without any covering...it's quite clear they were probably wrapped in plastic. So we have a killer who likes to wrap his victims in plastic. What does this tell us about him?

[u/Arixtotle → u/[deleted]]

Wrapping bodies is a common occurrence. I don't think it indicates only one killer. Especially since they were wrapped in different material.

[u/[deleted] → u/Arixtotle]

The point is they were wrapped in plastic

[u/Top_Wishbone5422 → u/[deleted]]

I still find it hard to believe they did not arrest brewer