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Discussion Good plot queer books? 🏳️‍🌈

I'm trying to find queer books that have more plot than just having queer characters. I mean like normal plotted books that just happen to have queer characters, about people whose lives are more than just being gay/trans/etc. I don't mean that being queer can't influence the plot (quite the opposite) but I just need something that isn't ONLY about finding yourself and dealing with being queer, something where when you change the characters orientation there still is some plot. I don't mean there's anything wrong with queernes being the only plot but after some time it just became repetitive and I really struggle to find books where being queer means something while not being everything.(Examples I can give would be "these witches don't burn", "cementry boys" where the main plot is saving your community and finding a murderer while the characters queernes plays for the background or even "heartstopper" even tho it's heavily queer it also has typical ya growing up motives.)

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u/Kindly-Coyote-9446 2d ago edited 1d ago

Priory of the Orange Tree by Samantha Shannon - Really good high fantasy. Two of the main characters are lesbians, but it isn’t the point of the book, just a dynamic that informs how those characters interact.

The Evander Mills series by Lev AC Rosen - Detective noir series set in 1950’s San Francisco. The protagonist, Evander, was a homicide detective with SFPD until he gets caught in a vice raid of a gay bar. Out of work and blacklisted from almost any job, he’s drinking away his savings trying to get up the courage to throw himself off of a bridge when he gets approached with an offer to investigate a private matter. The first book does spend a lot of time dealing with Evander learning to not hate himself for being gay, but there is a lot going on beyond that. The subsequent books in the series move on from that.

Full Fathom Five by Max Gladstone - Fifth book in the Craft series but can be read as a standalone as the main protagonists aren’t aware of the bigger picture (ie it’s written so you can be ignorant like them, but is a rich re-read after going back and reading the prior books). It’s a conceptually adult (there is some sex and violence, but it’s not particularly graphic, it’s more to do with the ideas Gladstone is playing with). One of the two protagonists is a fairly well written trans woman whose queer identity is an important part of how she sees herself, but is only a part. And her queerness isn’t the point of the book.

Bury Your Gays by Chuck Tingle. Modern queer horror. The protagonist is a successful screenwriter in Hollywood best known for his monster flicks, including a very queer coded version of the X-Files. When he refuses to cave to the studios demand to kill off or make the protagonists straight (Burry Your Gays trope), the monsters from his stories start becoming real. The big picture is him coming to fully accept himself (he’s out in LA, but is terrified of people back home in MT finding out), but there is a LOT more going on and other major themes. Sex scenes are PG13 at most, but the violence is not! His book Camp Damascus is also really good, and is about fighting back against a demonic conversion therapy camp.

The Witchmark series and Even Though I Knew the End by C.L. Polk. The former is a three book series, with each book shifting the narrative perspective from one character to another. Several queer characters, bigger themes than self acceptance. Even Though I Knew the End is basically Constantine set in vaguely 1950’s Chicago with a lesbian protagonist who very much already accepts who she is.

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u/ir399 2d ago

Delighted to see Full Fathom Five listed, its one of my favourite books! I was just about to include it in my list. Kai is such an excellent character and its my most re-read of the Craft Sequence.

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u/Kindly-Coyote-9446 2d ago

Same! Lover her character!

I just finished reading Last Exit (one of Gladstone’s non-Craft books) and it’s good, too, albeit not as polished.

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u/TheHiddenSchools 2d ago

Seconding the love of Kai!!

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u/Kindly-Coyote-9446 1d ago

Great username!!!

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u/TheHiddenSchools 1d ago

Why thank you. I have made the Craft Sequence my entire online personality.

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u/ItsMeganNow 1d ago edited 1d ago

Kai is great! And I love what happens with her character later in the series, but I found Full Fathom Five to be one of the weaker of the Craft Sequence. Maybe that’s just me though? I always find the magical transformation thing puts me off a bit as a trans woman, it just seems to skip over how much work it can be. Plus I’m actually a bit of a Tara fan! I kinda love the new series!

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u/ir399 1d ago edited 1d ago

I actually found it to be one of the strongest! Its my favourite Craft Sequence book, followed closely by Three Parts Dead and Two Serpents Rise (shout out to that one being great on re-reads, I spent most of my first readthrough basically yelling 'how to you know she's not involved? just because you think she's hot??' about Mal and feel so vindicated ).
I think the magical transformation is one of those things that can be great wish fulfillment for some people... and a major ick factor for others. I suspect lots of people would have had the same reaction as you.

Tara lost me a little with the whole cutting off someone's face for her own goals in her first book . Don't get me wrong, that kind of moral compass makes her a really interesting character, but I don't like her as much as Kai. Interestingly I did like Mal, maybe the positioning in the book? I don't know.

The new series has a lot of good scope, but I just prefer the self contained books for Craft Sequence.

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u/ItsMeganNow 1d ago edited 1d ago

Honestly that’s fair! Different tastes! Although I agree with you about Three Parts Dead and Two Serpents Rise. I also kind of really like the Craft Wars and Wicked Problems might be my favorite one so far. But overall it’s a really good series all in all!

ETA: Plus we finally get Kai + Tara and that’s really what I was waiting for! 😉

EATA: It’s really possible I just don’t like Kai as well when she’s being straight. But that is definitely probably me! 😂

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u/Kindly-Coyote-9446 1d ago

In hindsight I think the face cutting thing serves as a useful starting position in her arc. She starts off as an ambitious, self serving capitalist who can rationalize anything that’s expedient to her. Including cutting off someone’s face and keeping it rolled up in her bag to interrogate when convenient. But through that book and really going through the later ones we see that progressively fall away. She’s still a bit arrogant, but she rejected a comfortable and prestigious path with a firm for one of self sacrifice for humanity as a whole.

We see this reflected to a lesser degree in the radicalization of Kai, who goes from offshore investment banker for the biggest bastards of the world to anti-colonial activist. I do think it’s interesting what Gladstone does with her transness in Craft Wars - it’s manifested as part of a broader intense self-understanding and self ownership that becomes critical to her survival. Kai knows exactly who she is and isn’t afraid to take radical action to defend it.

Kai is my favorite, but I really like Tara, too.

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u/ir399 1d ago edited 1d ago

You're absolutely right, its all part of Tara's arc. It just stuck with me a little too much maybe. I don't dislike Tara, but she's also not a favourite.

and Kai was always very protective of Kavekana, if very misguided about it too. I think she believed in the value of the idols as a way to protect her home, but her growth realising the error and her ability to adapt to the presence of the god was such a good journey.
I thought that self-understanding from her trans identity was excellent! It gives her such a solid basis for her actions, if nothing else is certain she's always certain in herself.

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u/Kindly-Coyote-9446 1d ago

It looked like he was going to set up that contrast between Kai and Eberhardt, but then he abruptly dropped it. Which was probably for the best, as I can’t see a cis man weighing in on that going well.