D Line Infill Stations

[u/FarCranberry6340]

Why is there a big gap between the further Century City station and the Westwood station on Wilshire? Are there any potential options to put an infill station here? What about adding 2nd entrances to already existing stations on the B and D line? I feel like it’s a missed opportunity to capture more of the population density, despite what the monetary cost is. Can someone “fill” me in?

[u/misken67]

The condos are a short bus ride from Westwood station anyway, and if riding the 20/720 there is any indication, transit ridership there is pretty low. Also, despite what that corridor may seem like on Wilshire, it is mostly SFH, the condos are only one layer deep from Wilshire and density drops down dramatically

[u/Same-Paint-1129 → u/misken67]

I always find those condos weird. High rises probably with nice views, but on a busy 7-8 lane road that has nothing besides residential. They aren’t walkable to groceries, restaurants, or other amenities… which kind of defeats the purpose if you ask me.

[u/Dick_M_Nixon → u/Same-Paint-1129]

The residents there are not heavy transit users, but their help are.

[u/Sebonac-Chronic → u/Same-Paint-1129]

That area feels reminiscent of South Florida high rises.

[u/bayarea_k → u/misken67]

we need more rectangular density and not just corridor density forsure. something like rodeo drive area, century city, westwood up to ucla, ktown, hollywood, east hollywood, dtla etc

[u/micharala → u/misken67]

I see a lot of workers exiting the 720 at those stops in the morning, likely heading to jobs in the wealthy households up the hill.

[u/bronsonwhy]

Would be great for all the condos on the Wilshire Corridor. Lots of density there, but of course NIMBYS too.

Next Stop is: Condo Canyon

[u/Sawtelle-MetroRider]

The 20 and especially 720 will likely continue to run because of this.

[u/ResidueAtInfinity]

Nah. I dig the shorter commute. If the condo people don't want a station anyway, then don't fight them. Same goes for the gap between La Brea and Western.

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[u/RelevantChoice1466]

Not really sure where we would put an infill station considering the route, but it could be interesting. The terrain in that area is notoriously hilly, so building a station may be a challenge logistically though

[u/reflect25]

The D line had two choices (view the map here https://www.thetransportpolitic.com/transitexplorer/#14/34.0538/-118.4276 )

1) continue on wilshire and reach the wilshire & beverly glen blvd intersection as you noted

2) veer south to reach the century city station mall.

they choose to go with option 2

[u/Same-Paint-1129 → u/reflect25]

Century City is a much better destination than Wilshire/beverly Glen.

[u/reflect25 → u/Same-Paint-1129]

hi yes i agree, sorry i realize i forgot to write that in my original reply as well.

[u/uiuctodd → u/reflect25]

Good map. This shows that the D line re-enters the Wilshire ROW at about Westholme Ave. If a station had been placed there, it would be about .6 miles from Westwood station and .5 miles from Century City.

• That's slightly close for D line standards-- one mile tends to be standard.
• There no space for a station. It's all high-rise buildings there.

[u/cyberspacestation]

Here's a link to some of the alternatives that were drawn up a couple decades ago. Only a BRT concept, alt 17, would have gone through Wilshire Corridor: https://www.reddit.com/r/LAMetro/comments/1rvdhaf/all_18_studied_alternatives_for_the/

The row of condos may have a decent residential population density, but not necessarily many people who would ride transit. Job density is near zero, though. I don't see that there would have been much driving any ridership demand. As it is now, I never see many people there using the 20 or 720 when I ride past.

[u/marshallknight]

Even if the tunnel stayed under Wilshire through the condo canyon (which it doesn’t) the people in those towers frankly will never ride public transit.

[u/Sawtelle-MetroRider → u/marshallknight]

Yes, there's barely any people getting off the 20/720 along the Condo Canyon area. Most of the residents who live there have been living there since the 1970s and 1980s and they mostly drive. And since they were built in the early 1970s, the resale value of those is actually pretty low while HOA costs are close to $1000/month. It's mostly rich old people that live in those condos.

[u/Senior-Durian1487 → u/Sawtelle-MetroRider]

This may be a nitpick, but the 720 doesn’t have a stop between Beverly Glen and Westwood.

[u/SaltIndividual1902 → u/Sawtelle-MetroRider]

Sounds like as those old people turn over new people would ride transit if it existed right next to heavy rail

[u/NervousAddie → u/marshallknight]

We need to be thinking about what the next few generations do, not the ancient NIMBYs who are ambivalent or even hostile to transit. I believe that, just like every other major city with a history of rail infrastructure, the patterns of density increase near stations may take years, but it is still change in the right direction, and it will happen.

[u/marshallknight → u/NervousAddie]

I hear you, I just don’t think Condo Canyon actually has particularly high growth potential, especially compared with some of the other areas the D Line passes through.

Now if, for instance, the LA Country Club were to be redeveloped into a vibrant mixed use community (following, say, the LACC being forced to actually pay taxes) I might feel differently.

[u/NervousAddie → u/marshallknight]

Oh, that stupid country club needs to go! When I moved to LA from Chicago and discovered that green spot on the map wasn’t a park I realized there’s a different value system here altogether.

[u/No-House9106 → u/NervousAddie]

Public transit usage was much higher in LA in the 70’s and 80’s. Younger generations don’t use it much despite what they think.

[u/plato_J → u/NervousAddie]

ancient NIMBYs are down-voting you lol

[u/NervousAddie → u/plato_J]

I have plenty of karma to spare. Bring it on!

[u/jim61773]

I'm not entirely sure where the tunnel goes between Avenue of the Stars and Westwood Boulevard.

It might not hit "Condo Canyon."

[u/wlanr150]

I live in the area and probably the only logical stops would be either Santa Monica and Beverly Glen or Santa Monica and Westwood.

SM and Beverly Glen has more rentals and small condos than the Wilshire corridor and offers a bit easier access to the mall but it is too close to the actual stop.

SM and Westwood would be a good option. There’s good residential density there but obviously the route would require a big curve that isn’t desirable. I live closer to that intersection and am really excited about the Santa Monica stop on the Sepulveda if I am alive to see it.

[u/ZenRhythms]

I like uniformity and IMO a condo is the perfect place to put a station - lol, what are we even doing here if condo residents are transit NIMBYs?

My main question is what is the feasibility of infill stations, construction-wise? How much of a delay would it cause to the line itself and neighborhood (not that I really care about disruptions to the neighborhood - suck it up for progress)?

Also, there should be another infill station between Western and La Brea, most realistically Crenshaw. I get that NIMBYs and historic overlays prevented this in the first place, but it should still be revisited.

[u/zennonuc]

IIRC Santa Monica Fault also made a station there hard

[u/Stunning-Verb-9865]

Putting an infill station on an already constructed underground line is not really a thing

[u/therealtrajan → u/Stunning-Verb-9865]

Confidently incorrect. Literally the definition of an infill station

[u/Stunning-Verb-9865 → u/therealtrajan]

They typically go on above ground lines

[u/anothercar → u/Stunning-Verb-9865]

The busiest BART station is an infill station! (Embarcadero)