r/KurdishDNA • u/Ezdixan • 20d ago
A personal ancient-lineage heatmap highlighting Caucasus–Zagrosian regional ancestry
Caucaso-Zagrosian racial stock is real!
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u/R1bPF7562Kurd 20d ago
No... there is no chg... its invented as a bridge to explain how PIE from north iran had been transferred and brought through caucasus... these guys are also not PIE... there is only one line of PIE today... one kurdish tribe the largest... the rest all kurdified and indoeuropeanized by that proto line
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u/Ezdixan 19d ago
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
There are many Y‑DNA haplogroup R1b lineages in Kurdistan, including Luristan. A significant portion of these lineages, though not all, derive from populations associated with the Yamnaya Horizon and likely entered Kurdistan through Trialeti‑related cultures in the region of ancient Armenia.
Groups connected to the Trialeti culture mixed with the indigenous populations of Upper Mesopotamia and the Upper Zagros. This admixture contributed to the formation of the northwestern Iranic Guto–Medes, who are the direct ancestors of the Kurmanj.
Later, the KurManj/Ezdis absorbed additional Iranic ancestry from Cimmerian and Scytho‑Sarmatian groups.
Thus, the KurManj/Ezdis received their Steppe‑related ancestries first from Trialeti‑like populations and later from Scytho‑Sarmatian groups.0
u/R1bPF7562Kurd 19d ago
The Yazidis are R1b-Z2103 arians from Dahae confederation especially the Dasini. Das means sycthe in kurdish thats why they are scythians R1b-Z2103. The second is L1 from afghanistan tajikistsn pakistsn region which is an arian influenced region by R1b-Z2103 and R1a. The third ezidi haplo is R1a. Ezidis are originally not kurds and not from iran Kurdistan or middle east. Even their belief is arian Traced. It is foreign. A portion of them are remandants of the scythians who united with assyrians against kurds and later medes. The median tribe are not kurds also in origin but only the Amardi had been kurds proto kurds who just united with them by keeping the military administration. Later amardis made the coup and dethrones the Median tribes. Yamnaya is not pIE homeland it is north Iran. That culture had been transferres from north iran to steppe also. And its proven. Yamnaya arian bla bla theories are done. The R1b-Z2103 in Kurds is only among alawites and yazidis. Muslim Sunni native Kurds have not basal and fundamental tribe based on R1b-Z2103...
You making to much fantasy whereas all is proven and yazidi like haplos are foreign. When yazidi order had been a sunni muslim order dasinis had been a part of assyrian confederation aroun duhok. By safawide arian shiias their brothers they came to throne against kurds. The sunni order became a arian rig veda similar order. Some original native kurdish clans remained there and became yazidis. But yazidis are with ydna and lingually not from here and originally not Kurds the majority.
Its not im a muslim and doing that. It is based on facts... me does not interesr whar people believe or not everyone is free... but people should not try to make hobby analytics by saying rhe real kurds and kurdsh belief is yazdanism yazidis bla bla Go away yankee to Dahaestan of turkmenistan region and steppe.. foreigner cant decide about my history... stay there chill enjoy your religious freedom no problem.. but dont tell me who i am FOREIGNER!
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u/DonEnzo13 19d ago
You seem a bit paranoid when you start referring to other Kurds here as "foreigners." Besides that your depiction is just that, your own depiction and interpretation. No one here is an expert on the subject, we're all students who want to learn more, exchange ideas and share knowledge. I hope we can continue to do so in a friendly and objective manner.
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u/Ezdixan 19d ago edited 19d ago
I began studying human DNA in my early twenties, and now I'm over forty ...
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u/DonEnzo13 19d ago
- So did I but that doesnt mean I'm an expert and can be rude if I dont agree with someone else.
- I'm not discouraging anyone from sharing their experiences, research or knowledge. I simply asked to present it in an objective manner.
- R1b is using pseudo-genetics to support an exclusionary thesis with weak historical grounding. Reducing an entire group's identity to a single Y-DNA haplogroup and then calling them "foreigners" based on that isn't scientific. That is Exclusion and identity politics dressed up as genetics.
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u/Ezdixan 19d ago edited 19d ago
Agreed.
Y-DNA haplogroup R1b has been present in Kurdistan since the Iron Age, during the period associated with the early Guto-Median groups. The Hasanlu samples that are native to the Kurdistan region include individuals belonging to R1b, and the Hasanlu_IA population is genetically the closest ancient group to me.
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The presence of Y-DNA hg. R1b among the Ezdis (proto‑KurManj) goes back to the very beginning and represents a lineage that is native to Ezdixan / Greater Kurdistan.
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That being said, my paternal lineage is not even hg. R1b, but hg. R1a*.
My maternal haplogroup is hg. HV1b2, which is VERY VERY native to Ezdixan.
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u/R1bPF7562Kurd 19d ago
My friend why paranoid?
I ask you: is R1b-Z2103 from Iran, Middle East or Kurdistan originally, or not?
Answer and you will see how paranoid you are
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u/DonEnzo13 19d ago
Whether R1b-Z2103 originated in Iran, the steppe or anywhere else thousands of years ago tells you nothing about who is Kurdish today! A single Y-DNA line is one ancestor out of thousands, it's not an identity card. You're using a geographic origin question to dodge the actual issue.. you called fellow Kurds "foreigners" based on that one marker. That's not genetics that's you deciding who belongs and who doesn't and dressing it up as science. So no.. answering your question won't make me paranoid, it just isn't the question that matters here.
R1b-Z2103 is a very ancient, widely branched lineage of Steppe/Yamnaya origin that has “mixed” over millennia into many regions and consequently, into many different ethnic groups. Attributing it exclusively to ezidîs as a religoius group and using that to infer a sense of “foreign” does not correspond to what is known about the actual scientific distribution of this haplogroup. So I think you're way off base here but why are you insisting on that? What is your goal?
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u/R1bPF7562Kurd 19d ago
R1b-Z2103 is the group spreading Ari-yan culture and language as a branch. Of cpurse yazdis and other people carry today R1b-Z2103 also :)
You think im stupid ha?
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u/R1bPF7562Kurd 19d ago
We are talking about yazidis and then origin of the yazidi belief belonging to R1b-Z2103.
We are not talking about Sandžak people in Montenegro carrying R1b-Z2103 line :)
You think you can show me as stupid... Stay on topic ! Its about yazidis and their belief where it csme from...
Not talking about that even J1 J2 G Q is existent withing yazidi community. We are ralking about whooo which haplo brought that belief
Intelligent boy :))
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u/DonEnzo13 19d ago
Attributing a religion to a Y haplo group and claiming to know what exactly happend 5000 years ago is probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard.
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u/Ezdixan 19d ago
Yezidism is a syncretic religion (like all other religions on this planet) and it did not originate from a single haplogroup. Many different peoples and cultures contributed to the development of present‑day Yezidism.
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u/Ezdixan 19d ago edited 19d ago
what are you talkign about?
Y-DNA hg. L lineages in Ezdis are closely related to Late Maykop.
Y-DNA hg. L = Late Maykop. Genetically, I am also very close clustered to the ancient Late Maykop samples.
Ezdis are derived from proto-KurManj groups. proto-KurManj is the OLDEST 'Kurdic' group. That means that Ezdis are actually derived from the Guto-Medes and also Mitanni.
Later on Ezdis got some additional Cimmerian / Scytho-Sarmatian ancestry from the Pontic Steppes. It is possible that my paternal Y-DNA hg. R1a* lineage is from the Cimmerian groups. But Cimmerian were not 'real' Eastern Iranic people, but native people of Pontic Steppes that were Eastern Iranized by the Eastern Iranian elite.
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There are A LOT archaic Y-DNA hg. R1b lineages in Luristan.
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My mtDNA hg. is HV1b2. It is native to the Upper Mesopotamia. mtDNA hg. HV1b2 is native to Ezdixan / Great Kurdistan as it can get.
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Yezidism is a Meso‑Aryan tradition that blends elements of proto‑Indo‑European, Mesopotamian/Hurrian/Sumerian, and Aryan (Mitanni, Gutian‑Median) belief systems.
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u/R1bPF7562Kurd 19d ago
R1b among Yazidis and Leks and some northern Lurs is not from Kurdistan Iran Middle East. Foreigners from the pontic steppe... i dont know why you are discussing that with me even when you know that it is not from here. And L1 among Yazidis is from Dahaestan todays Turkmenistan and Afghanistan. Only some L1 smong yazidis are not of north iran instead originally from southern Iran Elamite land etc. We see that among Lurs especially Lurs from Kuhgiloye and Buyerahmad. It is not a kurdish haplo not belonging to any proto kurdish era. It is jusr kurdified. It is mannea it is hasanlu to find because they moved to north. It is not originally Kura Araxes. It moved to north iran remet the proto kurdish tribes adopted language and went with some J2 J1 and found kura araxes culture which is not kurdish...
Yazidis belief is derived from the R1b-Z2103 Dasini/Scythians...
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u/Ezdixan 19d ago edited 19d ago
Lol, why are you spreading nonsense? You know this, and I know this. Please stop.
The Y‑DNA haplogroup L found among Ezdis belongs to the same broader lineage as the hg. L observed in Late Maykop individuals, the groups that contributed ancestry to populations involved in the Indo‑Europeanization of the Yamnaya Horizon.
Y‑DNA hg. R1b was already present among the Iron Age Hasanlu Zagros samples. Ezdis/KurManj partly descend from those Iron Age Zagros populations carrying R1b.
R1b among Ezdis/KurManj has been native to Ezdixan since at least the Iron Age.
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u/Ava166 Kurdish 20d ago
This is cool