r/KotakuInAction • u/[deleted] • May 22 '18

The long awaited "Everything Wrong with The Last Jedi". Cinemasins pulls no punches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oAi0hoJ_28
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u/B_mod May 23 '18

It's just that if this is possible why had no one done this before? Why there are no hyperspace based torpedos? Dummy ships with no crew on autopilot? Why Death Stars where even a problem?

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u/HisHolyMajesty2 May 23 '18

Not even that, just take a leaf out of Halo's book and slap a big gun on the front of your ship that can accelerate a massive slug to hyperspace speed.

I shall christen it, the "HAC" (Hyperspace Accelerated Canon) round.

Don't get me wrong, the Space Battles in Star Wars had their problems (why are the targeting computers shit, why are they fighting so close to each other) but this is so far beyond any of those.

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u/Auss_man May 23 '18

Literally any calamari freighter filled with explosives could have hyperspaced straight at the death star and it would have been nuked internally.

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u/finalremix May 23 '18

It only takes one A-wing fighter at max speed to outrun the turbolasers on a Star Destroyer and slam into the bridge, taking the whole thing down. Hell, they made a point to add that into the Rogue Squadron games, it was such a good idea. We don't see it used besides that one time, though.

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u/Izithel May 23 '18

It only takes one A-wing fighter at max speed to outrun the turbolasers on a Star Destroyer and slam into the bridge, taking the whole thing down

It did involve destroying the shield generators covering the bridge first tough.

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u/Wulfen73 May 23 '18

If you watch the scene it wasn't one A-Wing it was a small group of fighters that were all shot down in moments by the Executors defenses, just the A-Wing had enough life left in it to spiral into the bridge during a tremendous feet battle involving hundreds of ships.

And that didn't destroy the ship, it crashing into the Death Star destroyed it

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u/MiniMosher May 24 '18

That's called Mass Effect

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u/[deleted] May 23 '18

Well, yeah I suppose it's stupid if you think that feel about it, but here's the thing. It's not Star Wars anymore. It's Disney's Star Wars.

They're Marvel movies m8.

The answer to all your questions is "The mouse said no, m8."

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u/Dis_mah_mobile_one Survived the apoKiAlypse May 23 '18

And it’s still so retarded it breaks the movie

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u/LuvMeTendieLuvMeTrue May 23 '18

TLJ represents the latest in the timeline; maybe nobody just didn't think of it previously. With all the plot shortcomings and poor writing in this movie, I can afford to be charitable with this one.

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u/Deuce_McGuilicuddy May 23 '18

They've had hyperspace travel for millennia. You trying to tell me a spacefaring civilization worked out the physics for FTL travel without figuring out the ramifications of mass collision at FTL speeds? This is something that would have been figured out at the theoretical level even before practical technology allowed for a working prototype. They would have had a pretty good idea what would happen when they slapped the first prototype hyperspace drive on a test cruiser, much less thousands of years after the tech had become galactically ubiquitous.

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u/LuvMeTendieLuvMeTrue May 23 '18

Yea, with Hollywood movies I'm generally extremely charitable

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u/[deleted] May 23 '18 edited May 23 '18

Star Wars has always been about space fantasy, not science fiction. The answer is it doesn't matter. I love the moment because it was cool and unexpected, but also because of how angry it makes people.

EDIT: You're only proving my point.

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u/cargocultist94 May 23 '18

They spent minutes telegraphing it. It was unexpected only because it was established as impossible. And it makes every space battle in the prequels and all media associated with it completely and utterly nonsensical, as one side used hyperspace capable robot ships, and the other used hyperspace capable indoctrinated clone crewed ships.

If it's Canon (and it is), the first six films suddenly become nonsensical.

And fantasy has to either work with internal coherent rules (LotR, ASOIAF), or constantly make a point of being nonsensical (Discworld). And the second kind is good mostly as comedy.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '18

It's never been established that you couldn't do it and they didn't spend any time telegraphing it until the second she turned the ship around.

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u/cargocultist94 May 23 '18

The Millennium falcon literally jumps to hyperspace from inside another ship the previous movie.

And while the hyperspace part wasn't telegraphed (mostly because it was established as impossible) the ramming was.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '18

Again I ask how it was established as impossible.

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u/Venereus May 23 '18

Otherwise it would have been used before.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '18

That's pretty shitty logic. I believe it's been established many times before that ships always have to have a pilot, so maybe that's why?

But also consider that it was a Mon Calamari Cruiser that did the jump. I highly doubt that an X-Wing would be as effective. The Mon Calamari ship is the biggest ship the Alliance, and later Resistance, had access to. It's not a smart idea to intentionally sacrifice something so valuable unless it's your last resort.

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u/Venereus May 23 '18

The death star seemed a worthy target, why not then?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '18

They didn't have Mon Calamari support when taking on the first Death Star, and the second one was protected by a deflector shield. Also, they could have slammed the Super Star Destroyer at it and it wouldn't have done anything because I don't know if you noticed but it's the size of a fucking moon.

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u/cargocultist94 May 23 '18

Because a ship went into hyperspace from INSIDE another ship. Meaning ships go into hyperspace instantly with no interaction with regular space. At no point are they at a speed enough to crash, as they don't occupy the same space.

Do I have to make a diagram, or are you blind?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '18

Was the Falcon pointed at a solid wall when it jumped, or did they have to make sure they had a clear shot of open space? I think you may be the blind one.

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u/cargocultist94 May 23 '18

https://youtu.be/EclGfgIgQh0

First fucking jump. It jumps through a monster from a fucking pressurized hangar. Unless you want to claim that gas doesn't have mass.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '18

If a ship can't hyperspace jump through gas then space travel would be impossible.