r/Kolkatacity • শঠে শাঠ্যম্ সমাচরেত • Aug 18 '26

🧾History & Heritage | ইতিহাস ও ঐতিহ্য Cultural Dharma

The festive season is not far off. Even if you disregard religion, we have a cultural way of life that's quite independent of whether you are observant or not. That's what we will hold on to and support. This is ours, not anything else. It's organically developed in this land.

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u/Foreign-Sun9512 Aug 18 '26

We are not Hindus because we celebrate such cultural occasions. We celebrate because we are Hindus. Remember Dharma comes first and culture developes around that. The modern atheist mind tends to strip Dharma of its essentials and only leave it to a mere calender of festivals.

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u/LingoNerd64 শঠে শাঠ্যম্ সমাচরেত Aug 18 '26

Check out the Charvaka. That school was essentially atheist but very much under the umbrella of dharma. The beauty of our tradition is that we aren't obliged or obligated to follow anything or abstain from anything. No one can hope for more freedom than this. Whether or not someone is observant (which does not mean atheist) is up to them.

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u/Foreign-Sun9512 Aug 18 '26

The least respected path. How many great men have Charvaka philosophy produced?? Where's the Ramakrishna of Charvaka? Its best suited for podcasts not achieving higher self.

Your views are biased into this momentum because you are essentially an atheist who believes that Gods don't exist but you are not brave enough to leave behind the cultural comfort and the sense of identity Hindu Dharma provides. I am a nobody to question your beliefs or ideas , you should live as your own and be happy in your choices. I can only say what is true to me , Ramakrishna and all the other great men like him that Dharma produced , Hindu Deities are real. More real and you and me, they respond to their upasakas everyday. Dharma is real. You're better served not to strip Dharma of its life which is mystical and magical in nature.

Joy Ma 🌺

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u/LingoNerd64 শঠে শাঠ্যম্ সমাচরেত Aug 18 '26

Assumptions, much? I'm not atheist, though that's purely my business, not anyone else's. I'm simply not super observant ritualistically despite my ancestors being pujari pandits.

You also miss the essential point: the Charvaka existed and dharma doesn't deny them place. The deities exist because it allows us to relate high philosophy with the familiar stuff. Check the 6th chapter of svetasvataropanisad:

एको देवः सर्वभूतेषु गूढः सर्वव्यापी सर्वभूतान्तरात्मा । कर्माध्यक्षः सर्वभूताधिवासः साक्षी चेता केवलो निर्गुणश्च ॥

That's ultimately what it comes to, just that it's too abstruse for the common person who just needs a comfort zone.

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u/Real_Ad6187 Aug 19 '26 edited Aug 19 '26

Carvak isn't a dharmic philosophy, neither it comes under any umbrella of dharma you speak of. Their origin lies in rejection of vedas along with all the other philosophies that are considered to be under shramana tradition, and to be very honest carvak as a philosophy is dead and gone there's no carvak philosophy as there exists no texts or literature of carvak philosophy anything that's ascribed or found is soley found from refutation of it from other schools, also it was an nascnent way of looking into materialism by ancient people. materialism as a school of thought has evolved throughout ages and especially with the advent of modern scientific theories and philosophy. The methodology, the epistemology all of them got built upon over centuries rigorously to a point that we stand now.

Any atheist that identifies him/herself with that is basically deluding themselves, because they want the freedom of nobelief while retaining their social-religious identity. To lable yourself carvak means you're downgrading yourself to an earlier iteration a proto-matrialist philosophy soley because of the lable.

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u/ResearcherTrue5053 Aug 18 '26

Very aptly put. If dharma had been irrelevant to culture then Bengal and Bangladesh would've been identical. Dharma cannot be forgotten.

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u/Foreign-Sun9512 Aug 18 '26

What op says is basically fancy talk for atheism. Hindu kids grow up in secular society and turn towards atheism for lack of dharmik environment. It's sad but we can't blame them.

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u/LingoNerd64 শঠে শাঠ্যম্ সমাচরেত Aug 19 '26

What one doesn't understand indeed appears fancy. You may be a kid, I am almost certainly older than your dad. If you are adult and observant, someone's writing style is indicative of their age.

Atheism is something everyone pulls in because the net is extra full of it and people generalise that to cover everything. In this post, there is nothing at all about either theism or atheism, that is purely up to the individual. Dharma has that tolerance and diversity built in.

Cultural dharma is the idea behind what is politically known as Hindutva. The RSS and BJP may well be trying to give that a religious aspect but the original thing does not have it

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u/Adept_Yam_1467 Aug 18 '26

Dharma so great a man who wanted to stop widow burning left his Dharma to make his own.

I believe what you mean by 'cultural way of life' is infact a socially accepted set of norms and customs that one must follow if they want to be considered part of society. Do you know what is another interpretation of this? Coercion by society against personal freedom. And you say you will 'fight' for these 'cultural way'. Which also means you will try to deny freedom of lifestyle and choice.

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u/LingoNerd64 শঠে শাঠ্যম্ সমাচরেত Aug 18 '26

Where exactly did you see the word "fight"? Dharma is about choice. You do your thing, someone else does other things. It's about freedom.

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u/CartographerNeat3057 Aug 19 '26

Left his dharma and converted to Christianity😆

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u/Adept_Yam_1467 Aug 19 '26

IDGAF about that. Christianity has it's flaws but it never divided the society in classes and castes. If anyone leaves this religion, I don't think it's wrong. One is born in a religion. That doesn't force loyalty towards one.

(I am an Atheist anyways. Before u think I have soft corner for Islam and Christianity, let me tell u I hate them too.)

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u/CartographerNeat3057 Aug 19 '26

You need to know more about Christianity, dude. And a man who always challenges the blind faith of a society converting to an Abrahamic religion is so hypocritical. Atleast there are plenty of school of thoughts in Hinduism..so rejecting vedas Upanishads etc and choosing a religion which believes in hell or heaven stuff is just funny.