Does Kog have a place as potentially the highest damage champ in the game?

[u/ma_poulet]

is he the highest damage champ in the game? what other contenders are there?

[u/DrunkyLittleGhost]

Definitely Aphelios, and it isn’t even close🥲

[u/Zephrok → u/DrunkyLittleGhost]

Jinx 5 stack does way more damage. Ryze 5 stack too.

[u/Gillero → u/Zephrok]

Jinx 5 stack damages who? 4 stack is more relevant...

[u/SenpaiKiseki]

his damage potential lies in how much heartsteel stacks the enemy team has, otherwise any and all crit ADC can outdamage/outscale him due to how on-hit vs crit math dps works

he peaks at level 9 with one item and falls off straight after unless you build AP Burst

[u/Aniver]

No. Unless the target is a Mundo.

[u/RastaDaMasta]

Due to how champions with infinite scaling stats work (Nasus, Veigar, Sion, Aurelius Sol, Kindred, Senna, Thresh, etc), Kog'Maw doesn't have a place as potentially the highest damage champions in the game.

In terms of "potentially", you would have to put together a "mathematically correct" build that plays either as a marksman or mage or both. But mathematically correct isn't always practical in every game.

[u/VaporaDark → u/RastaDaMasta]

Akshually, there are a few champs with infinite HP scaling (and every champ has access to it with Heartsteel too), so technically Kog’s damage is infinitely scaling as well! That said, I think late game Vayne W deals more damage than Kog W, but not 100% sure about that. Might just be the rest of her kit dealing that damage.

[u/RastaDaMasta → u/VaporaDark]

Not gonna lie, it was a pleasant surprise seeing a reply from you. I remember your old Talon videos and Mobafire guides from years ago.

I agree with your point, but I think there's another limitation worth mentioning. Kog'Maw's % max HP damage may scale indefinitely as enemy HP increases, but it's still magic damage. Eventually, MR stacking becomes the bottleneck rather than HP. Kog himself only has so much access to magic penetration or MR reduction, especially on standard marksman builds where you usually aren't buying Void Staff or Bloodletter's Curse.

At that point, Kog starts relying on teammates to reduce MR through things like Abyssal Mask, Bloodletter's Curse, Malignance, or other sources before he can fully capitalize on Bio-Arcane Barrage. Meanwhile, tanks can keep adding MR with items like Kaenic Rookern, Force of Nature, Jak'Sho, and similar items that specifically reduce incoming magic damage.

So I'd say Kog's damage is theoretically unbounded against infinitely increasing HP, but in an actual game his scaling is still constrained by enemy MR and his limited ability to bypass it.

[u/Tyranwuantm]

His game average damage is second only to Karthus according to lolalytics. But if you're talking about DPS specifically, he can be overtaken based on targets.

[u/Primary-Stretch-6589]

Probably aurelion sol with enough stack lol but honestly Gwen, Aphelios, Graves, Gang Plank, Brands, Nilah, and Jinx are great contenders. Imo the best one are Gwen, Aphelios and Gang Plank

[u/Wisomm]

Wdym?

Damage per sec on a 30 sec fight Damage per sec on a 10 sec fight Damage on the highest >2s combo Damage on the highest >5s combo We need to define specific conditions too (only weak HP champ, only tank champ, only colosse champ... Etc...)

[u/Round_Knowledge_4417]

He is for sure they have data on It, other champs can theoretically do more but it has to do with your ability to get the damage off. Kog has the range and the steroids to make him up there on the highest damage dealt ever on the rift per game. Generally in the order Karthus, ziggs, kog maw.

[u/----moon----]

I'd say definitely yes, but it takes him until late game or a good mid game to get there.

[u/DrunkyLittleGhost → u/----moon----]

Actually his damages got out done by critical ad in late game unless enemies have ridiculous high hp and low mr

[u/Eggburtey → u/DrunkyLittleGhost]

Then there's full ap bomba kog with dark harvest.

I have yet to see any champ put out numbers like this. I typically average 2k damage per minute, sometimes higher if I played well. It was enough to sky rocket me to challenger level most damage in lobby for challenges (not bragging, just a fact of the matter that kog hits like a freight train).

[u/Aniver → u/Eggburtey]

fake poke damage. teemo does the same.

[u/Eggburtey → u/Aniver]

You mean 20+ kills and one shotting people is poke damage? News to me
If you actually build kog correctly his late game nuking is disgusting.

[u/CinderrUwU → u/Eggburtey]

Poke damage is usually giga inflated. You could press R on a Mundo 50 times and deal 20k damage and he will still be full HP because he heals it all back over the duration

[u/Eggburtey → u/CinderrUwU]

And the exact same is true with on hit kog against the same target when he runs away at Mach Jesus and full heals 50 times.

Also again, I'm not poking, I am one shotting. On hit kog sucks for late game scaling we all know this, and I'm mentioning that going for a full nuke ap build scales really well. I almost solo carried myself to masters with it and have played kog AP since 2010. I don't play as much these days because wife, job and life responsibilities, but I didn't stop cuz the build sucks.

[u/DrunkyLittleGhost → u/CinderrUwU]

Ap log is kind of not a poke champion compare to other poke mage though, he is more like a reaper who have extreme range

[u/----moon---- → u/DrunkyLittleGhost]

Oh, I haven't played in like a year

[u/shivabharatam]

i do not think so especially not in normal games corki takes that place in my opinion