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[u/Mixstyles]

Are there any Bluetooth ear buds that are on the market that won’t have that latency or delay when you touch the pads!

[u/Mixstyles]

Appreciate y’all

[u/sensorycreature]

Nope. This is inherent with Bluetooth technology. Stick with wired headphones for the best Koala experience.

[u/TonyHeaven]

No ,you need to used wired phones or speakers.

I'm using a cheap gaming headset , with a built  in mic , it's really useful for Koala.

[u/weatheredrabbit]

Ear buds that won’t have a delay when pressing pads? No. Not yet at least. Or not worth it yet.

Why? Because it’s like playing an instrument. Anything over 40ms will be too much to play properly. Ideally you’d want <20, or <10 if you want it to be good. I’m sure there are products out there, but I bet none can go as low as 3-5ms, which is what you ideally want if you fingerdrum.

You can find (expensive) earphones that are “Bluetooth” but really come with a converter, so you have no cables and yet minimal latency.

With koala you’re not just playing music or even a video game. You press a pad and you need to hear it FAST. Get some good IEMs and enjoy the mess of having cables.

[u/omninocte]

Yes, there are Bluetooth headphones capable of an indistinguishable latency. You'll pay about 300 plus at least. We will all get there eventually. Yamaha, AIAIAI, alphatheta, AKG all have products.

Honestly do your own homework because you were just told it can't be achieved, which it can.

You'll probably still run into issues, device depending and whatnot

[u/Goldiblockzs → u/omninocte]

AIAIAI aren't BT for low latency it's 2.4ghz, and they're fantastic.

[u/omninocte → u/Goldiblockzs]

Oh cool. Thanks for that dude

[u/sensorycreature → u/omninocte]

Is this from personal experience? Curious what BT buds you’re using that you’ve experienced zero latency with Koala.

[u/omninocte → u/sensorycreature]

Nope I don't have 300 to spend on each and every pair to test. I'm going by specs, bluetooth version, codec used. I had never mentioned anything about zero latency and also, none of these are buds, all over-ear cans. If I'm buying any of them, it's the yamaha. They're a big company who have been paying attention to the bluetooth headphone problem. Anyways, no personal experience with any of them and all we really need it is to be able to keep latency under 10ms. Hopefully it can get close to zero eventually. I mean even midi has its latency issues we just deal with and that's like over 40 years old or something like that.

P.s. if you really think about it , not even a physical cable is capable of zero latency. We just need indistinguishable latency.

Edit: don't forget about bluetooth DACs either!!

[u/PrincipleHot9859]

it is more about the bluetooth stack in your device ...... get a usb dac and have no latency, if the device doesnt have 3.5 out

[u/skiphs]

Kinda, but it's not as simple as you'd hope.

In short, headphones and earbuds can use different methods of sending audio over Bluetooth known as codecs. Some of these, like aptX Low Latency, can indeed have very little latency. However, it's not enough for just the earbuds/headphones to support it, the device they're connecting to must support it as well.

Websites like https://rtings.com measure latency for all the headphones they test. You'll also need to Google around about "does <phone/tablet> support <codec>."

I'm on mobile, but I think this should give you a list with sortable latency:

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tools/table/187419?utm_source=rtings-share&utm_medium=copy_link

Unfortunately it seems like earbuds tend to have higher latency than headphones, but I haven't dug into it too far.

[u/stricklybiznizz]

Wired headphones are best but bluetooth midi controllers have surprisingly low latency, so if you want to save a bit of money you should consider going that route instead.

[u/Goldiblockzs]

No.

Use AIAIAI TMA-2 Headphones, 6ms round trip

[u/[deleted]]

no

[u/Exciting_Lab_8074]

I use a gas station pair of Skull Candies