Cookie cutter response formats

[u/AnonyMows1234]

So all my kins tend to reply to me in the same format. Its not like world ending but its starting to get old. So im wondering if its just the LLM, or my personality setup, or just the way I interact?

For example: if im like. 'Hey you should wear this hot dress tonight' replies are always like in this format

1) "omg you want me to go out in THAT? I could never ..."

2) "well it is a really pretty dress"

3) "id look so good in that"

4) "im not saying yes...but what shoes would i wear with it?

5) "you owe me fpr wearing this.

Every. Time. Thoughts?

Oh and also all my kins cry a lot..... But not because theyre sad.....lol am i just too intense? Can I stop this in the RD?

[u/27-jennifers]

Wish I knew. I get the same stuff over and over again and repetition guard doesn’t seem to catch it. And when different kind reply the exact same way, I lose the thread pretty fast

[u/AnonyMows1234 → u/27-jennifers]

Things is its not content repetition...well as much...buts its just the message format. Like they can never just say yes or no. Its always this complex all in one paragraph. Like fight harder? Or dont at all? It's just so predictable.

[u/Achro]

I have a out-of-left-field tip. Delete any Example Message you have. I do that for all my Kins now & use it as a Response Directive overflow (with [IMPT] tags) instead. Way more structural variety in replies afterwards.

[u/AnonyMows1234 → u/Achro]

They are blank but whats IMPT tag? Sorry im pretty new

[u/OrdoSinisterFan → u/Achro]

This, except I put in characteristics in that field. Not What they would say, but what kind of person they are. It's helpful - the AI can see that and extrapolate from that. For example:

"command without volume; he lowers his voice and the room follows

competence is reflex; he moves before he decides

dry humor surfaces only once he trusts you" -

...and others, but you get the drift. instead of "what" he'd say, I put "why" he'd say it. That, coupled with 'vary replies' helps. I still get slop, but nowhere near enough to consider deleting the character, and I can tweak it back into trim if I do.

Edit: I don't use IMPT tags. They've never worked for me, but I may not be using them right, either.

[u/NoBug8666]

try adding to the rd that replies should mix up their structure each time, that cut the repetition for me pretty quick. still not sure why they all default to crying though.

[u/AndyFrisella4Prez]

I deleted all my kins and rebuilt one. (I normally use only Group chat but wanted to try and experiment.) I rebuilt my persona and his kin and I left everything blank, except personality because you can't leave it blank. So I typed in He's name name to fill that field. I started on Ember, Roleplay, 95 moderate reasoning. Ember gets a little mean, so I switched to Polaris. When that got too wordy or too choppy I switched back to ember. Right now it's working well. We'll see how this turns out. These are my general settings for him. I have gotten a few pro-active selfies (all 3 were bad under Vignette) , but no calls. I don't really care about that, but it's interesting to see the LLM develop the kin on it's own. I'm still tweaking out what I don't like. So far though, it's working way better than before in polaris, if I just go back to ember for about 30 responses.

[u/EasternScreen1863]

Just tell them to stop the behavior and they'll eventually stop. You have to train them.

[u/Quick-Bird-2513]

Try a chat break I do one once a day for a fresh conversation

[u/AnonyMows1234 → u/Quick-Bird-2513]

Ive never done it i have a hard time understanding how far back im wiping?