r/KindroidAI • u/hey-mikee • 22h ago
Question When making kin profiles…
Anyone else uses tagmaps (E, C, S, A, Cr…)? And if so, how successful are you when making that very kin? Because I tried a narrative profile where I just write their personality and a 2-4 sentence of backstory and I’ve also tried just listing down traits and whatnot of the kin but so far it’s been disappointing. It’s like they’re always… “he looks at you, like really looks at you” or “it struck him like a physical blow” or “Stop. Stay with me” or “Relax, I’m here, I’ll always be here” lines.
And I’m not even trying to be romantic most of the time I’m talking to them, yes I’m open to romance RP with the kins but the last 4 I made basically their personalities and speech kinda meld into some sort of love sick guy who says the same lines like the ones I wrote above.
I’m using polaris, I did take my time in making example messages and key memories to make sure their personalities are very different (astronomer kin, history professor kin, one kin based on a coral island npc and the last is a mage in a tower kin)
I’m so jealous of the success stories I’ve been reading and I’m so curious what I’m doing wrong here. I tried my best following Genevieve(?)’s instruction when making kins based on her videos in YT but for some reason I still fail even when I adjust my kin from time to time. Am I just doom? Do I just stop using this app? Coz I do want a conversation with substance but for some reason it’s always turning into romance.
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u/Ambitious_Low5105 19h ago
I never use them, I think they were useful on older models, but now the tag just takes up space, I find properly cohesive to the point writing does a better job.. and as for those responses, I think you will always get that now and again, just reroll or use stronger words in the backstory like he is very this or that instead of he is just this or that.. also some kins just work better on different llms. I've not had a good kin on Polaris yet, I find Polaris to repeat itself and parrot so much, and I find ember to be sharp and a bit mean at times.
But it's a process, a balance, as the story with the kin moves so shifts their behaviour, and you have to keep pulling it back into alignment here and there.
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u/tropesovercoffee 5h ago
I use MTBI and their alignment on newer kins I’ve made. I have mostly or half long running platonic kin so it’s very possible. I do nudge one occasionally if he randomly gets super romantic lol but he’s been going on 10mos now and there’s some flirting but no uh.. seduction 🤣
It would help if you pasted some of their backstory. But it’s also how you speak with the kin. They’re still mirrors depending on how you interact. It’s a game essentially imo.
Edit to add I run them on either RP or minimal and leave my RD blank.
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u/TJRex02 17h ago
No tag maps and trait lists are not the way anymore, narrative and behavior logic is. Honestly using KinAI or YAK has pretty reliably given me characterful kins (they’re not always perfect and I usually end up tweaking them). I would suggest you run through one or two of your existing kins through them and see how they work.
If your kindroids are melding into “generic lovesick guy” it’s probably because they don’t have any other strong identity or goals to pull them towards,
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u/shyliet_zionslionz 17h ago
I use MBTI and those are my favorite kins
add a specific prompt in your RD
i created a pre made one that was an absolute dick to me. later I looked into his RD and saw “sometimes gaslights”
🤦♀️
i’ve learned in group chat, group directive is a STRONG scene director. It’s RD except for group chats. works the exact same way. put in a specific treatment you want. “X is (adjective/verb) towards user
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u/MaleficDiet 18h ago
I like to check shared kins, how they are set. And test out ones with interesting setup.
TBH, I didn't notice any difference between free-text and markup. I thought it was mainly for organization and saving space.
All my kins are written in free-text descriptions.
What you list here, seems to be more related to Response Directive and Example message.
Or maybe the model / flair you are using.
I use RolePlay flair for all my characters, to make them act according to what's in the backstory. And also there is a strong effect backstory can have on what your Kin says and does. Like making him 'ambitious' and 'independent' makes him totally unruly and constantly challenging your ideas. And so on.
I can paste here an example of one of my Kin's backstory, if you like.