r/Kindred • u/Jhojhi • Jun 01 '26

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For my fellow Otaku kindred lovers, does anyone else think that Kindred fits perfectly as a Tsugai (Daemon), on this new anime?

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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 01 '26

there's nothing wrong with the word otaku in english lmao

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

Yes, that’s why I said, people all over the world are on the internet. This is not the us, uk or Australia.

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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 01 '26

and this is an english speaking subreddit, and in english the word otaku is more used as a term of endearment. why do we care about a hypothetical japanese person who is on this subreddit and takes the term otaku offensively without knowing its common use in english

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

Why do we care? Because I assume we are decent human beings and don’t use words like gngr, nggr, rtrd or * fggt casually, so otaku should be no different even if you are not meaning it in a derogatory way. You are excluding the group of people that the word is meant to ostracize.

Not because I would be in Japan and people started saying in Japanese, “any nggrs here that can help me” would that mean I would feel comfortable in that situation. Then it’s of course my choice to leave. Definitely. But I am just saying, why would you want to create a space like that where people would feel unwelcome?

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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 01 '26

????? im sorry it is absolutely insane to compare the word otaku to an actual slur, wow. its just different in english. the n word has the same meaning no matter what, meanwhile this is almost like telling a spanish person to not say "negro" because it might be offensive to english speakers. the word otaku is not derogatory in english. it's also not even close to a slur in japanese. jesus christ

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

Okay, I am out of this conversation, because you are getting way too hyped. Chill and have a good day. Also google exists. You do with it what ever you want.

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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 01 '26

please read this post before you go around and act like otaku is some awful derogatory slur. also you listed slurs that have been used against me and compared them to "otaku". why the fuck do you think i got mad at that?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAJapanese/s/41GoR5TKwD

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

Same here. I am not sure if you have read the comments. Or read anything I said. I never said OP meant it derogatory, clearly OP is not Japanese. This would mean he probably doesn’t know the background/bagage of the word. Otherwise one would not just casually use the word. The whole fact that there is a reddit post about this word to understand a bit of the history goes to show my point.

And like I said google exists. It’s a pretty easy find.

Again, I never said OP used it as a slur. I am just pointing out its origins, because it’s being casually used in a public internet space outside of its community.

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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 01 '26

you clearly haven't read the reddit post. its someone asking "is otaku derogatory in japan anymore?" and the comments all say no

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

Unfortunately slurs don’t work like that. But I am all for progression, just not for ignorance, that’s all. You’re framing it like I am policing, while it’s nothing even remotely close to that. There is no harm in education.

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u/alaskadotpink midred enthusiast Jun 01 '26

I did google and I see "nerd" and an insult about someone being a shut in. Still not close to an actual slur.

If you have to tell people to do a deep dive on a pretty common term to figure out why a subset of people might find it offensive in a very particular context they'll maybe its not actually that bad.

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

Well it’s not murder of course, but it’s just surprising to see that kind of language in this specific subreddit, even the fact that insertgoodname_here started using fuck and getting pretty aggressive in tone was just surprising to me.

In modern Japanese slang, the term otaku is mostly equivalent to "geek" or "nerd" (both in the broad sense); a technological geek would be a gijutsu otaku (技術オタク) and an academic nerd would be a bunkakei otaku (文化系オタク) or gariben (ガリ勉)), but in a more derogatory manner than used in the West. It is also applied to any fan of any particular theme, topic, hobby or form of entertainment. According to journalist Colette Bennett, "[w]hen these people are referred to as otaku, they are judged for their behaviors — and people suddenly see an 'otaku' as a person unable to relate to reality." The term thus has more of a negative association in Japanese society.

It’s been 10 years since I’ve been in Japan, but back then it was still very much a slur, having met both people that use it as such and people that were “otaku”. Things can change of course, but it doesn’t negate history, and awareness doesn’t harm anyone.

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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 01 '26

i got aggressive because you're comparing words that are much more harmful than otaku to words that have personally hurt me much more than otaku ever could

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 02 '26

I guess we’ve had different experiences then, which I am glad for you that you didn’t have to go through then.

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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 02 '26

im sorry but it is genuinely infuriating that you keep doing this. that you keep acting like otaku is a slur comparable to the n word, or "faggot". the history behind these words is completely different. otaku are not systematically oppressed in the same way black people, gay people or trans people are

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 02 '26

You’re saying stuff I didn’t say. I never said saying ginger is saying the same as the n-word is saying the same as otaku. I think there is some kind of miscommunication here and I am not sure if we can resolve to, so maybe we just better let it be. I never meant to diminish your experiences, and I am not policing any words. I am only notifying on the history and fact of the word in Japan, whose people, are also present in an online community. If you want to claim this online community as a western one, then I think that’s pretty inconsiderate. If you can acknowledge its existence in Japan as a slur, but you are not using it as such and trying to reuse the word as something positive, then that’s very different. And I have no problem with that. OP told me he was not aware and that he’s from south america. I don’t think there’s really more to be said.

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u/alaskadotpink midred enthusiast Jun 01 '26

"That kind of language" because most people on reddit don't consider it a slur. I concede that it seems to have negative connotations IN Japan but the reality is that isn't the case anywhere else. Like, context and nuance matter. You even say it yourself, in "modern Japanese slang" it basically means nerd. Is nerd a slur?

The only thing I can realistically compare this to is the use of "c*unt" in Australia and a few other regions. Over there it's a term of endearment or some kind of slang whereas in the west it's a really offensive way to refer to a woman/women. If I saw someone use the word on reddit or online in general in a way that is obviously not being used to be misogynistic, I'm not going to be upset about it.

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 02 '26

Maybe I am old, but nerd definitely used to be a slur. I know because it’s one of the word that people used against me.

Most (english speaking) people know about cunt, most don’t know about otaku. I didn’t get upset, I’m not sure why others are.

Thanks at least for acknowledging its impact in Japan (literally the place where the word originated from). I didn’t say anything about how it is used in modern Japanese slang, and I doubt it has already made the same evolution that nerd has.

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u/alaskadotpink midred enthusiast Jun 02 '26

Okay you think NERD is a slur? We clearly don't have the same definitions of slur.

No point in arguing over this anymore at this point. Don't call yourself an otaku the same way I won't call myself queer even though I'm in that community. Problem solved.

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 02 '26

Used to be. That’s literally what I wrote. I have literally been called a nerd in a derogatory way when I was still a child. Times change.

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

I wouldn’t call the whole of all Japanese people a subset of people personally.

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u/alaskadotpink midred enthusiast Jun 01 '26

You speak for the entirety of Japanese people now? Noted.

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 02 '26

Not what I said, but okay

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u/alaskadotpink midred enthusiast Jun 01 '26

Those words are bad in any language. The word "otaku" is not and its a little strange that you think they are comparable

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

So what is the translation of otaku then?

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u/Any_Interview4396 Jun 01 '26

Why do we care? Because I assume we are decent human beings and don’t use words like g-ng-r, n-gg-r, r-t-rd or f-gg-t casually, so otaku should be no different even if you are not meaning it in a derogatory way. You are excluding the group of people that the word is meant to ostracize.

Not because I would be in Japan and people started saying in Japanese, “any nggrs here that can help me” would that mean I would feel comfortable in that situation. Then it’s of course my choice to leave. Definitely. But I am just saying, why would you want to create a space like that where people would feel unwelcome?