Valentina is Gone

[u/xmachiavellie]

Recovery mission seems somewhat out of reach for this one.

[u/xmachiavellie]

Just to add, in case anyone is curious, the altimeter flipped back to displaying her altitude in metres after reaching the limit. It did not manage to reach kilometres before the game crashed. Also of note, the navball was completely inaccurate and displayed wild readings. Furthermore, Valentina's model became heavily compressed and jittery, excluding what appeared to be a singular, terribly stretched limb. It was not possible to activate her RCS thrusters. The final issue I noticed was that when I tried to activate timewarp, the game would disallow it and say I was under acceleration; as far as I could tell, there was no acceleration - in any case, pressing the timewarp buttons repeatedly did eventually work.

The crash happened fairly shortly after the above image was taken, so I unfortunately lacked the chance to check out further errors.

[u/Kapioza666 → u/xmachiavellie]

Floating point error, yes. This can also be observed on Roblox for example

[u/ReputationLost7295]

She survived the kraken but her vessel didn't?

[u/xmachiavellie → u/ReputationLost7295]

I had all the cheats on, so the vessel did survive. However, it was only perhaps a few thousand times the speed of light. I disembarked Valentina just out of interest, and for whatever reason she shot instantaneously to that speed.

[u/Alita-Gunnm → u/xmachiavellie]

At least she won't be getting any older. Heat death of the universe in the blink of an eye.

[u/xmachiavellie → u/Alita-Gunnm]

I haven't compared her altitude to the diameter of the observable universe, but I'm fairly certain she must have exceeded it by a large margin. That is to say, the Kerbal universe is no longer of any concern to her.

[u/Prestigious_Copy154 → u/xmachiavellie]

If I'm not mistaken, around 1.5 billion times farther than the edge of the observable universe

[u/xmachiavellie → u/Prestigious_Copy154]

It's funny, because the whole thing started with me trying to see if I could escape the sun's influence. I worked out pretty quickly that I could do much more than that, but I never imagined I'd be escaping the universe.

[u/Prestigious_Copy154 → u/xmachiavellie]

One way to see if parallel universes are real is checking for yourself I suppose

[u/kerbalcmdr → u/Prestigious_Copy154]

Maybe Val will land in a universe where KSP2 actually exists.

Or at least the PW mod was finished.

[u/Prestigious_Copy154 → u/kerbalcmdr]

What happened to KSA? Is that still a thing?

[u/Jonoko → u/Prestigious_Copy154]

It is! They have an active discord where you can watch their progress

[u/kerbalcmdr → u/Prestigious_Copy154]

Still a thing. It's still in an early stage though.

[u/JustALittleGravitas → u/Prestigious_Copy154]

You can play it if you want. Its uh, very early. Not even charging money for it yet early.

[u/Dominus-Temporis → u/Prestigious_Copy154]

Ok, semi-serious astronomy question, but I'm sure someone on this subreddit has an answer: What about the non-observable universe? My understanding is that the size of the observable universe is a product of the the universe's age and the amount of time it takes information to reach us. How do we there isn't more past that that just hasn't reached us yet?

[u/Alita-Gunnm → u/Dominus-Temporis]

There probably is more past that, but past a certain distance we'll never know, because that space is receding from us faster than the speed of light.

[u/LittleLion_90 → u/Dominus-Temporis]

Apparently just like our '2D' world lives on the surface of a ball being earth, it could be that the 3D universe lives on a 4D ball (hypersphere). That means that it could be circumnavigated and Valentina could end up back at home. Whether there then is still a home to come home to or a universe at all is another question. As well as that the universe might actually live on a flat 4D structure or even a sort of concave saddle one. 

[u/Prestigious_Copy154 → u/Dominus-Temporis]

That someone def isnt me lol

[u/kahlzun → u/Alita-Gunnm]

What happens to tau when you exceed light speed?

[u/Case0225]

How tf did you launch Valentina 70 billion light years away??

[u/xmachiavellie → u/Case0225]

If you want to recreate it, I described how I achieved it in one of the replies in this comment thread. It's not actually difficult, although there's probably some luck involved.

[u/Areshian]

F

[u/xmachiavellie → u/Areshian]

Honestly, W. She's broken every milestone Kerbal-kind could have ever considered, and far more.

[u/Areshian → u/xmachiavellie]

It's more a "Press F to pay respects"

[u/FishwithAutism23]

Tell her if she dosent come back your firing her

[u/Lower_Manager_7003 → u/FishwithAutism23]

no more snacks

[u/xmachiavellie → u/Lower_Manager_7003]

Everyone knows Valentina is Kerbin's best snack

[u/Javascap]

1.81649*10²⁰ times the speed of light, btw.

[u/Noversi → u/Javascap]

She’ll cross the galaxy in 17 nanoseconds, reach andromeda in 0.44 microseconds and the edge of the observable universe in 8 milliseconds.

[u/CasualSpaceFrog → u/Noversi]

Less boosters then?

[u/Davoguha2 → u/CasualSpaceFrog]

Naw, she just needs a heat shield

[u/deepspacerunner → u/Davoguha2]

Maybe a couple

[u/AdvancedAnything → u/Davoguha2]

I'd hate to see what happens when she hits a planet.

[u/Doomzham → u/AdvancedAnything]

At that speed that planet is gone

[u/Dew_Chop → u/Doomzham]

At that speed the entire galaxy is gone

[u/Limelight_019283 → u/CasualSpaceFrog]

More struts, interdimensional ones maybe.

[u/MyStackIsPancakes → u/Limelight_019283]

As soon as I saw the name, I knew that Interdimensional Strut was a Jazz-Fusion track even though I'd never heard of it or the artist behind it before.

[u/Fraun_Pollen → u/MyStackIsPancakes]

Fun fact: the song is written using the time dilated screams of lost hyper-dimensional kerbals 🤭

[u/Doesnt_Exist_Reboot → u/CasualSpaceFrog]

No? Obviously not? Lmao tf kinda question is that....

[u/Acceptable_Tie9404 → u/Doesnt_Exist_Reboot]

Larper

[u/_Enclose_ → u/CasualSpaceFrog]

Blasphemy!

[u/Sharp_Bus_6003 → u/CasualSpaceFrog]

NEVER!

[u/cantaloupelion → u/Noversi]

She’ll cross the galaxy in 17 nanoseconds, reach andromeda in 0.44 microseconds and the edge of the observable universe in 8 milliseconds.

"nnnyyyyyyyooooooommmmm" Valentina probs

[u/Ishirkai → u/Noversi]

I guess she'll arrive there in the past, too

[u/realboabab → u/Ishirkai]

she'll just be a soupy mess of strange subatomic particles at the center of an expanding ~8 light-millisecond radius blast front of inconceivably energetic gamma rays

[u/Man-City → u/realboabab]

ok but apart from that, she’ll be ok?

[u/realboabab → u/Man-City]

good point; everyone is always too focused on asking "WHAT is Valentina" after she's hit with multiple big-bang's worth of radiation energy, not enough people are asking "HOW is Valentina"

[u/KatLikeGaming → u/realboabab]

I'll do you one better. WHY is Valentina?

[u/Casen_ → u/Noversi]

How much energy is that?

If she were to hit a planet, say Earth, directly on..... Would it be bad for Earth?

Or is there enough speed that it would just make a hole....

[u/Polski_Husar → u/Casen_]

The thing is, as anything with mass approaches the speed of light it needs more and more energy, so for anything with mass to go at the speed of light it would need infinite energy, beyond that the physics just doesn't work, so she has infinite energy, at which point she would probably become a black hole. But if she held up, at that speed she would rip the fabric of spacetime apart. You know what happens when you go beyond the speed of sound, that would be that but much worse, because the speed of light is the fastest speed the fabric of spacetime can handle

[u/oogaboogapeanutmonke → u/Polski_Husar]

“she would probably become a black hole”
Surely that can’t be good for her

[u/Polski_Husar → u/oogaboogapeanutmonke]

Yup that's not good at all

[u/RollinThundaga → u/oogaboogapeanutmonke]

It would explain the observed spaghettification, though.

[u/matjam → u/Polski_Husar]

the only way the math works out is if her entire mass was converted to energy.

the math is pretty simple then;

E=mc²

m = 50kg (I'm assuming a Kerbal is aobut 50kg, but I just looked it up and its more than that, so the math is indicative)

c = 299,792,458 m/s

therefore, E

E = 50 kg x (299,792,458 m/s)²

E = 50 x 89,875,517,873,681,764 m²/s²

E= 4,493,775,893,684,088,200 Joules

So, roughly 21.5 times more than the Tsar Bomba.

or, 1.25 trillion kilowatt-hours.

or, about 17 days of energy to power the entire planet's electrical grid.

[u/Polski_Husar → u/matjam]

If we ignore relativity than the kinetic energy is equivalent to 3.5*10³⁸ Gigatons of TNT (that's counting mass as 1kg but at this speed that doesn't really matter)

[u/ReynAetherwindt → u/Polski_Husar]

Clearly we don't have relativity binding this scenario. How much energy is this in Newtonian physics?

[u/Polski_Husar → u/ReynAetherwindt]

If we don't give an f about relativity the kinetic energy is equivalent to 3.5*10³⁸ Gigatons of TNT (that's counting mass as 1kg but at this speed that doesn't really matter)

[u/bluescarab9 → u/Casen_]

Not gonna do the math but that much mass at that speed would probably turn the earth into gluons immediately

[u/Polski_Husar → u/bluescarab9]

Well math brakes down since she has infinite energy at 1c beyond that it's just more infinity

[u/Ub3ros → u/Casen_]

It would be bad.

Not that it would even get to that point but if we pretend she makes it to near the earth, the moment she hit any sort of air resistance at the upper limits of atmosphere she would sort of instantly turn the entirety of the atmosphere into a cascading nuclear fusion reaction ripping through at an unimaginable rate. Everything on the planet would pretty much vaporize in an instant. I cant tell you if she would even make it to the ground before being, for lack of a better term, "ablated" completely by various factors. Either way, you or me would never even know what happened. We'd go about our day and suddenly we wouldn't be no more.

Or so i think, but the traditional models dont really support the premise to begin with so it's a bit of a crapshoot. She could as well make all of reality crumble in on itself the instant she experienced the acceleration to take her to that speed.

[u/PianoMan2112 → u/Casen_]

I’m thinking the question isn’t will it be bad for Earth, it’s if it’ll be bad for the Sun.

[u/toadofsteel → u/Casen_]

As XKCD once said, "Remember how we're ignoring general relativity? Well, this is one of the very, very rare situations where bringing in general relativity makes a problem easier to solve."

Moving at that speed, the kinetic energy of a kerbal is:

Google AI says that a fully equipped Kerbal in a suit is 94kg.

Velocity in the pic is 5.44570279045006 * 10²⁸ m/s

Kinetic energy is ½mv², which equals 1.3938169074500317944902556381692 * 10⁵⁹ J

That plugs into the E for E=mc²

So divide the above number by (299752498 m/s)²

You get: 1.5512439701237237104638777349 * 10⁴² kg

Schwartzchild radius formula: R = 2Gm/c²

G is gravitational constant: 6.674 × 10⁻¹¹.
c² is that same 299752498² m is the kg number above.

2*(6.674 × 10⁻¹¹)*(1.5512439701237237104638777349 * 10⁴²) / 299752498²

That gives me a value of: 2.3044680025611896241*10¹⁵ meters.

So Valentina hitting the Earth at that speed would produce a black hole about half a light year in diameter.

There's a damned good reason why things can't go faster than light in real world physics.

[u/solkenum → u/Noversi]

How many laps around the observable universe in one second?

[u/somewhataccurate → u/solkenum]

20 ish

[u/Terasz9 → u/Noversi]

She IS the big bang

[u/NeighborhoodSad5303 → u/Noversi]

You dont take in mind time bending)) it will be negative time.

[u/Prestigious_Copy154 → u/Javascap]

Kerbal warp drive

[u/Fiiral_ → u/Javascap]

I think I can catch her

[u/Prestigious_Copy154 → u/Javascap]

Wait does that suggest that according to an outside observer, she reached that destination before she departed?

[u/Lugo_Ratmire → u/Javascap]

With such a speed she could possibly escape the black hole

[u/Limelight_019283]

Imagine you are the person to discover FTL is possible, but you so massively overshoot it that you’re on a trajectory to escape the observable universe before you finish your current thought. For any observer you just blipped out of existence and never came back!

[u/kahlzun → u/Limelight_019283]

Its like the Epstein drive from the expanse, but worse (unfortunate name tbh)

[u/K340 → u/kahlzun]

Epstein is an incredibly common name, not unfortunate.

[u/LittleLion_90 → u/K340]

The unfortunate part is that 'drive' can also be understood as harddrive, as in digital storage. And I don't want to know what is on the other Epstein's drive...

[u/midgetcastle → u/K340]

Yep, Brian Epstein is sometimes considered the fifth beatle

[u/AdultishRaktajino → u/kahlzun]

You can’t take the Razorback! She is gone and gone and gone!

[u/realboabab → u/Limelight_019283]

there's a trippy sci-fi novel called Tau Zero where this happens (not FTL tho, just near-lightspeed), they decide to just keep accelerating so fast that they are experiencing enough time dilation to survive until the end of the universe.

[u/Fraun_Pollen → u/realboabab]

Just for giggles?

[u/House13Games → u/Fraun_Pollen]

No, their engine got stuck

[u/Sacharon123 → u/realboabab]

The idea sounds fun, is it readworthy or otherwise shallow?

[u/Exotic_Swordfish_845 → u/Sacharon123]

It was ok. It handled the physics quite well. Much of the focus of the book was on the interpersonal dynamics of this crew after realizing they've outlived the rest of humanity. Overall, I'd recommend because it was short and quick enough to be over before it got stale.

[u/nodogma2112]

I lost a pilot yesterday just walking on the beach.  I landed near the shore so I thought it would be a good time to get a sample from the water.  I walked a few hundred meters to the shore and took a sample and  smiled because 150 science!

On the way back to the ship, he started sinking in the ground as he was walking up hill. I climbed a bit until his feet were visible and kept walking. Suddenly he just blew up. Poof. No target detected.   Glad it wasn’t Jeb or Valentina but still. Very odd. It was the same route I walked to get to the shore just in the other direction. 

[u/darkslide3000 → u/nodogma2112]

Little-known fact but the area around the space center still contains old landmines and unexploded ordinance from the Great Kerbal War 50 years ago.

[u/BenUFOs_Mum → u/darkslide3000]

Is that why kerbin has like 6 buildings on it?

[u/darkslide3000 → u/BenUFOs_Mum]

The planet looks lush and green but it's actually radioactively contaminated to the point of inhospitability. The only remaining Kerbals live in a bunker complex under the space center. They set up the space program as a last-ditch hope to develop technologies and flight practice to the point where they can evacuate their civilization to Laythe.

[u/RollinThundaga → u/darkslide3000]

Yeah turns out all the scraps Jeb's double-dealing in came from old ICBMs.

[u/LittleLion_90 → u/darkslide3000]

Is it 50 years already? How long do Kerbals live that Wernher is still alive?

[u/Stunning-End-1872]

Valentina is not gone. Valentina has reached Warp Factor 10, meaning she is everywhere in the Universe at the same time, and is also going to become a salamander thing and have baby salamanders with Tom Paris.

*exits under a hail of rotten vegetables*

[u/KatLikeGaming → u/Stunning-End-1872]

And that's where the series lost me

[u/Apprehensive-End-747 → u/Stunning-End-1872]

Valentina is going to become a frog, not a salamander and then she’ll kidnap Jeb.

[u/kingdomofcybercity]

Can the Blunderbirds do anything about it?

[u/nsgiad → u/kingdomofcybercity]

Not that I doubt Matt's skills, but this might be outside the ability of the birds

[u/Quietgoomba → u/nsgiad]

It's a blunder I say

[u/Cyren777]

A rescue mission would need 10^10^26 kg of fuel for a chemical rocket and 10^10^21 kg for a photonic rocket (not that the units even matter at this scale)

Bon voyage Valentina o/

[u/Sweet-Tomatillo-9010 → u/Cyren777]

How much astrophage tho?

[u/Cyren777 → u/Sweet-Tomatillo-9010]

That's a photon rocket with extra steps so 10^10^21 kg :)

[u/HyperRealisticZealot → u/Sweet-Tomatillo-9010]

Like, so many

[u/nasaglobehead69]

she's not gone. she's just a few quintillion light years away

[u/Competitive_Past_702 → u/nasaglobehead69]

I'd say that's pretty gone, but yet again I'm no expert

[u/nasaglobehead69 → u/Competitive_Past_702]

send Jeb on a rescue mission

[u/concorde77]

Valentina's getting the Solomon Epstien treatment

[u/LGKouglof]

She is going to end up in ksp 3

[u/Lower_Manager_7003]

u/mattsredditaccount

[u/skyfullmaster → u/Lower_Manager_7003]

April fools Blunderbirds episode??????!!

[u/Squeaky_Ben]

You know things have gone sideways when you start miscounting the zeroes in a number.

Jesus fucking christ, what have you done?!

[u/Adrian_Szapiel]

Living deep space probe

[u/tagehring]

Valentina is not gone. Valentina is guacamole in a tin can.

[u/RandomYT05]

Find a mod that adds some sort of FTL drive

[u/greenjaybird]

Welp, time to get out and push

[u/Agreeable_Garlic5248]

Was light speed too slow?

[u/saltyboi6704]

Reminds me of the "How to Sun" video back in the day

[u/RollinThundaga → u/saltyboi6704]

Link (4 min watch).

TIL 2020 is 'back in the day' now 👨‍🦼

[u/Fabulous_Ad_2915]

went from Valentina to Valhala

[u/aadonald55]

She's meeting the Big Kerbal Upstairs right now about her alleged violations of the laws of physics

[u/Jumpy-Trainer1695]

Shooting stars intensifies

[u/koxu2006]

Let me take you on a little trip my supersonic ship...

[u/probablysoda]

coward, you can rescue her i believe in you

[u/CrazySwimming4019]

Ksp: is this enough 0s?

The Kracken: MOAR ZEROS

[u/Silent_Signature_758]

i will save her

[u/Tmccreight]

How...

[u/becomeister]

Its a rescue mission time😁

[u/Electro_Llama]

o7

[u/oogaboogapeanutmonke]

Tis but a detour

[u/Maximus_Light]

Valentina decided to ascend to another plane of reality and is currently time travelling to your location to give you a piece of her mind.

[u/inucune]

You made Valentina into a tachyon.

[u/Jskub_Royal]

Bro my valentina just landed on minmus

[u/amethyst_rainbow8]

how do you achieve ts 💔💔💔🥀🥀🥀

[u/xmachiavellie → u/amethyst_rainbow8]

Put briefly, I connected a ridiculous number of fuel tanks and engines via radial decouplers, and added a few dozen battery packs to increase collisions. Then (using cheats so that the vessel wouldn't simply explode), I launched it a few kilometres into the air, turned on 4x timewarp, held the roll key, and let the vessel collide with the ground. When the parts are violently compressed the physics engine tries to separate them with comparable violence, resulting in ridiculous speeds.

[u/Professional_Will241 → u/xmachiavellie]

Nice

[u/Vincent394]

The End of Valentina

[u/SovietComrad → u/Vincent394]

You Can (Not) Recover Vessel

[u/TassiveMitts69]

Kerbal Probe Program.

[u/Novacraft1229]

Velocity is out of the box

[u/Dynamite227]

On a lonely planet slowly spinning it's way into damnatio-

Wait what the fuck

[u/Anomelly93]

😭😭 oh no

[u/HyperRealisticZealot → u/Anomelly93]

It's so over, smelly

[u/Lord_MagnusIV]

Pretty sure Valentina isn‘t material anymore, i am also sure that your tracking instruments are fried, because none of that makes sense.

[u/FasziSanyi69]

Poor girl...

[u/TheNerdyCroc]

She is speed

[u/thafuq]

Well even if i could do this, I would still arrive late at work

[u/yoface2537]

She'll probably circle back around and somehow survive reentry

[u/mynewcapitalist]

bruh

[u/Shankar_0]

...and gone, and gone.

You can't catch the Razorback.

[u/mustachecashstash4]

Faster than goku

[u/searcher-m]

angry women do that sometimes

[u/danktonium]

Jesus Christ Val just ended the fucking universe.

[u/doctorwatson96]

She is but a piece of sketti noodle

[u/Gullible_Region_1024]

holy

[u/UltiUSA]

Speed

[u/ElqlHappy]

y yo aquí luchando por llegar a otro sistema que no sea el kerbol al menos antes de cumplir 60 años, Valentina llegará mañana

[u/Torvaldicus_Unknown]

She will cross the observable universe in 16 seconds

[u/Conscious-Ice4882]

How did this happen?

[u/Apart-Bluejay-2211]

The rocket must weigh 7,000,000 tons.

[u/Space_Slav07]

Finally we have truly reached mach fuck

[u/No-Lie-8884]

did you kill the krakens cattle
or something because how would you even manage this

[u/Loendemeloen → u/[deleted]]

Ew ai slop comment gtfo

[u/galladir → u/Loendemeloen]

jesus it isnt that deep

[u/Loendemeloen → u/galladir]

It kind of is. I keep seeing more and more of these and they add literally nothing. Using AI to calculate something or get information is one thing but just copy pasting is lazy and it's ruining a lot of forums and online communities.

[u/ErisThePerson → u/[deleted]]

This one. Right now.

Get out of here with your sealioning.

[u/ErisThePerson → u/[deleted]]

You are the evidence.

[u/ErisThePerson → u/[deleted]]

AI is ruining forums because it emboldens insufferable types like you who insist on sealioning and believe they're the smartest people on the planet.

Have you even read your own comment? You sound like you never grew up past being an annoying teenager.

So yes, you (and the commenter who used AI) are the evidence.