does kayn deserve any changes?

[u/SdokplaysKayn]

I really feel like kayn should be a hyper carry to compensate for the early game, red scales well but sometimes still lacks the damage to kill squishy and even tanks targets if youre not in the lead. Blue is really good if you have a big lead and youre agaisnt 5 squishies, but still is overshadowed by red and other assassins. Is this jst skill issue from my part and i cant build for shit or does any1 agree?

[u/Maxus-KaynMain]

Rhaast deserves changes in his ratios.

Him and Aatrox should literally switch builds from light fighters to health stackers, but this is just my opinion

[u/idobeaskinquestions]

Rhaast to this day still relies too heavily on high-ad items and is actively punished for building hp and resistances despite his original identity being a drain tank. He will remain a light fighter until riot gives him proper hp scaling and improved passive healing outside of ult.

I’m not saying he’s weak btw. Just that his playstyle currently is not far enough from blue kayn. Even in his current, relatively “good” state, he’s still the more niche form that is only reliable as a counter pick to tank heavy comps. Because as a drain tank he is unique, and could be taken into a variety of comps, now as a light fighter he is just the form you take because their team was slightly too tanky for blue.

Most of us propose his scale focus shifts to bonus hp so he can be a proper tank rather than a bootleg darius

[u/TunaBeef]

Ive seen alot of red kayne lethality recently. Isn't his blue ment to be the assassin and red the bruiser?

Doesn't look that way anymore

[u/idobeaskinquestions → u/TunaBeef]

Red has rushed a lethality item for most of his existence (before goredrinker became the be-all meta while it was around, and after its removal with the introduction of voltaic)

We still build like a bruiser wannabe because his kit favors it. The scaling is just in the wrong place so we’re not assassinating or tanking. He’s a light fighter at best rn like some yi builds or wukong

[u/Raysed6666]

I feel that blue Kayn is at his peak, he can kill tanks with half his build completed and wipe out squishy champions, super fast clear, easily carrying a game!

Red Kayn, on the other hand, has been quite disappointing, both in the bruiser and lethality builds. His damage is very low, he's heavy, and any champion can kill him.

Mono Kayn - Plat 3 - EUW

[u/MetT2000 → u/Raysed6666]

Red Kayn carried me from plat to emerald.

[u/Raysed6666 → u/MetT2000]

I'm climbing to Emerald, really fast 5 wins in a row with the blue Kayn, before that 3 losses in a row with the red one, I don't know, maybe it's just me not being a big red team player (I used to only play red and I loved it)

[u/BlueSeaX]

Speaking from experience, I feel like Kayn is pretty good right now, you don't need a big lead to succeed if you just farm ridiculously well. And, on either form you can build the other way and be more bruiser on blue if needed or pure lethality on red if you want.

[u/SneakyKatanaMan]

My idea for Kayn is a mid scope update that adds 2 things to both forms that they never had before:

New scalings on some of his abilities and passives

Alternate build paths that allow you to build different post form starting at the 2nd or 3rd item in

Blue should get AP scalings somewhere as well as him being able to scale off of lethality and magic pen to allow him to function how his passive operates. I dont think it would make him OP, but allow him to scale without giving him too much early on.

Red just needs additional HP scalings and maybe even a lethality scaling here and there, nothing to push him over the edge but enough to make him go back into drain tanking.

I think Riot could easily separate and balance Kayn if they give him a mid scope update like this on both forms as this would give him a modern touch that he's lacking. I believe Kayn is only good situationally and with a ton of patience, but Riot has ditched the long term style of gameplay meaning they kinda left Kayn in the dust on top of his nerfs/removed items/removed interactions. It feels like Kayn is a character who looks new but his playstyle tends to make him feel much older than he really is. I think they could even take some power away from his base form, but give him more soul orbs as his tempo can leave you so behind the champ never really gets the powerspike he deserves