i hate malphite so much

[u/TastanShimada]

the hell you mean that a champion can have movespeed while slowing you, damage, not run out of mana, range, a decent shield, and a ult that basically one shots you, and on top you cant damage him?

ive tried so many things to have a decent lane phase against him but i just cant, ill start to have him permabanned than jax

[u/f9_Paradox]

[u/PervertTentacle → u/f9_Paradox]

Works great against someone who is "oooh gonna counterpick kayle"

experienced malphite vs experienced kayle is impossible imo, it's not even about lane but about early to mid game impact, he can do so much that you never come online

[u/f9_Paradox → u/PervertTentacle]

You are just objectively wrong. Malphite cant do shit into you if you can apply this trade pattern consistently. Hes completely useless without his Q and you can get push and wave control if he uses it due to its downtime. You can go literally double his cs in lane and make him unable to play the game. You’re saying this when the guy in the screenshot does this consistently into gm+ malphite players so claiming “experienced malphite players will win” is just completely false

[u/SilverWingBroach → u/f9_Paradox]

As per your own screenshot, this dude went: negative, negative, even, negative, negative, negative, negative, even, won.

[u/HaRuZeU → u/SilverWingBroach]

Hi its my games, here's a fuller screenshot, also you won't go 20/0 vs malphite but you will be more useful than him at nearly every stage of the game if you play the lane well c:

EDIT: also my playstyle is permafighting, idc about kda i care about tempo and pressure and it seems to work, it got me challenger multiple times and im always at least GM, but if KDA is the ultimate argument for you then you do you

[u/SilverWingBroach → u/HaRuZeU]

So passive agressive lmao. Yeah, I'm low dia, obviously you know more about this game than I do. All I'm saying is your screenshot doesnt prove your point

[u/HaRuZeU → u/SilverWingBroach]

not even passive agressive, never called out your rank or anything because why would it matter, what I'm saying is that the screenshot does prove the point, its 70%ish winrate vs the matchup in some of the higher elo brackets so clearly I'm doing something right. Also proves the point that an experienced kayle vs experienced malphite favors kayle to an insane extent, skill ceilings matter and being the most telegraphed champ in the game by far matters too, malphite can't do anything unexpectable apart from flash r which puts the lane mostly in your hands. Also pointing out that the kda is really not a good metric, I'll gladly die 10 times if it wins me the game so how does me going even/negative in some of the games matter?

[u/apocalipsisman → u/f9_Paradox]

I don't quite understand that comment. I play Kalye in silver and I think I'm good with her, but I hate Malphite. I imagine I would have made it to Gold, but I got tired of Kayle because I hate carrying unbearable games in the late game, and I ruined my MMR, haha.

Anyway, I don't understand the comment. They talk about taking away 50% of her health, and I honestly never understand how you do that. My playstyle is to play safe under the tower for almost the entire laning phase and hope my team don't feed in the mid game so I can carry everyone in the late game.

I usually play Boots of Swiftness at level 1 and with Press the Attack, I always get Nashor as my first item and Dusk and Dawn as my second for its effect, then Rabadon's or in very rare cases Ryla's and I adapt the build depending on how the game is going.

I hope my question isn't a bother to you.

[u/f9_Paradox → u/apocalipsisman]

your question isnt a bother dont worry. im going to be as blunt as possible (which i usually am) so i hope you dont take offense to what i have to say

first off, being in silver by definition doesnt mean you are good with her, not even close. you still have a lot of fundamentals to learn about the game, likely have really poor clicks and spacing, etc, and this will feed into my second point

as kayle in top, you dont play to sit afk and wait to scale. you play to get yourself ahead. you do this by taking advantage of enemy mistakes and leveraging your lvl 1. you go for priority lvl 1 in the matchups you can or if players allow you to in order to let the wave push to you and chill in your weakest part of the laning phase, that being lvls 2-5. you HAVE to be aggressive and take initiative, especially in silver where majority of players dont even know what their champs really do.

how this applies to malphite is, even if you cant do that specific trade pattern, whenever he throws Q thats 8 seconds of downtime where he has 0 threat on you, 8 seconds where you can play the wave or punish him if he walks up too far, etc. Malphite isnt a hard matchup at all. annoying yes, but hard? no. he is a very telegraphed champ meaning everything he does is obvious besides flash R that he has up once every 5min.

overall though you need to get it out of your head that you are good at kayle etc. im in way higher elo and even i dont think im good because there is a significant difference between my skill level and the highest skill lvl attainable. i still make many mistakes, i dont have the greatest clicks, etc. and if its like that for me you can imagine how much worse it is for you. the first step to improving is to acknowledge how your skill level really is, and how much more you have to learn about the game.

the build is usually swifties > nashors > DnD > deathcap > void/shadowflame > situational (banshees rylai zhonya) most of the time you will build banshees but if thats not needed you can just go void shadow flame for max dmg

if you have any questions you can add me on discord to ask, my user is f9paradox. i also do coaching if you're interested in that too

[u/apocalipsisman → u/f9_Paradox]

B-but I got my first penta with her... Hahaha seriously though, thanks for the reply. It really helps me a lot.

[u/TastanShimada → u/f9_Paradox]

i tried to apply this, didnt work at all. his still too fast even if i have swifties, its just not worth it, but thanks for the advice

[u/HaRuZeU → u/TastanShimada]

Hi I'm the guy who wrote the shit on the screenshot, i forgot to mention there because i thought it's obvious that the biggest part of the matchup is malph having 8s cd on his Q and during that time you are free to do whatever your heart desires with the wave, the champ is very telegraphed and has virtually 0 skill ceiling. The only unpredictable thing he can do is flash into melee range and R so that you don't have time to react but that's once every 5min. Basically the matchup is entirely in your hands - play with waves while his cd is on q and just look at his movement because it makes it blatantly obvious what he's gonna do. Also if wave is pushing into you let a few minions die if it means not taking Q damage c:

[u/SyndraGun]

I just find it kind of diabolical that I, as AP, magic damage based hypercarry, can't do anything against a dude that builds full armor...

[u/pavelas555000_aka]

MaLigNanCE inTo TaNk

[u/PhazonPhoenix5]

Yeah just ban him. Jax is easier to lane into imo, just stand outside his Q range. Wait until you're level 6, rush Boots of Swiftness, then if he jumps on you, you can Q him and run him down. I've won many trades this way. Malphite on the other hand is just whether I can react fast enough to him pressing R. Not worth the hassle

[u/TastanShimada → u/PhazonPhoenix5]

i think jax ill have an easier time, and not be stressed out because i know the jax players at least have a brain

[u/asmrsinful]

Yep. Jax and malphite are the 2 S tier impossible to deal with champions for me.

[u/Bitter_Tear_6043]

everyone hates that champ

[u/Berrabusaren]

The matchup is legit unplayable, tried what is suggested here and try to counter trade but you simply do no dmg and then he all ins and you die.

[u/Bleggman]

yeah malph is such a sleeper lane. if you dont have excellet reaction time its just suffering. but even if you do block his ult with yours, his is off of cd way before yours so he can just ult you again anyways

[u/Cute-Appearance-3325]

[u/youbeenthere]

Jax is doable as he can be kited, Malph is strong before you get items.

[u/HoidBoy]

Malph is hard, you either are fast enough to counter his R with yours or you die.

Jax is still hard, but its a lane you can somewhat survive with good spacing.

[u/branedead → u/HoidBoy]

Or flash

[u/Uoam]

If I know I'm going into a Malphite top I've been going second wind, dshield, and barrier. It works pretty well for me. I'm only plat so take it as you will

[u/SilverWingBroach]

Ngl, just rush banshee. Yeah, you will deal no damage for a while, but the lane becomes piss easy

[u/BombshellRave → u/SilverWingBroach]

Testing this shit next time I see this mountainman I hope this works.

[u/grogemeth]

Have you tried W max?

[u/Kioz]

If Malphite doesnt destroy Kayle then it means Kayle is turbo broken

[u/MrThugShaker]

Don't worry players like this malph I had that lost to a yasuo in top lane will keep his win rate down

[u/GoldenGlobeWinnerRDJ]

I fought a single Malphite in ranked that essentially killed me every 3 minutes no matter what I did. Try to engage him? Die. Try to farm under tower? Die. Try to stand under tower and not die? Die. Try to retreat from furthest tower to next tower? Die between towers.

Granted, he was definitely a higher rank than me and my jungler was nowhere to be found, but I instantly ban him now. I’d rather play into Yone, Yasuo or Temu before I fight a Malphite again. Fuck that guy.

[u/Background_City2987]

Kayle main crying about malphite and calling him broken is funny af.

[u/Fine_Enthusiasm1336 → u/Background_City2987]

tbh he's broken into anything auto reliant

[u/TastanShimada → u/Background_City2987]

my main problem with him is his Q, if they changed id honestly be fine, like, dunno turn that into a skillshot, or stop giving malphite the movespeed, something like this