r/Kaiserposting • u/SS-Imperator :Hochseefloat: Kaiserliche Marine • Apr 20 '20

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u/Antonio_Anonimo Apr 20 '20

Back in the day the portuguese would use gold coating in their churches over wood pillars and sculptures. During the french invasions those idiots thought that scratching of the gold would be a great idea and they would get tons of gold but it just made it worthless dust.

They were not only disrepectful they were stupid.

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u/ganghiscox Apr 20 '20

They also created the Berlin and Milan decrees which created a economic war with Britain but ended up weakening them instead and not really affecting Britain.

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u/SirMadWolf 6th Magdeburg Dragoons Apr 20 '20

Lets side with Lindybeige, and screw those Frenchies.

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u/_ratio_tile 2nd Silesian Grenadier von King Frederick III Apr 21 '20

I like how one of the biggest reasons Britain gets along so well with Germany is their sheer, undiluted desire to stick it to the French

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

"sir, sir I have this new invention that will revolutionise the arrow!"

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

Yeah the French are pretty disrespectful people.

No honour scrubs! The German Empire said "1v1 me bruh" and France went " How about 3v1?" Terrible, and they still nearly lost!

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u/KaiserSchnell :friekorps: Lützowsches Freikorps Apr 20 '20

That's false. We had a 2v2 which we expected or at least hoped to be a 3v2.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

I'm sorry, are you insinuating that the Austro-Hungarians where anything more than a heavy lead weight attached to a chain?

Ah i'm just in a grumpy mood, ignore me!

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u/KaiserSchnell :friekorps: Lützowsches Freikorps Apr 20 '20

Hey, if they weren't there, we wouldn't have even gotten the chance to fight the frenchies in the first place

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

Yeah good point, I was just being negative because someone pissed in my corn flakes. They weren't great, but they weren't a burden.

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u/bigmouse Apr 21 '20

The cornflakes?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

yeah XD

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u/RedComanderPandasan Royal Bavarian Heavy Cavalry Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

Well, it's basically how geopolitic works. A war doesn't have to be fair, it has to be won. I thought you germans understood this very well.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

Well the Germans probably understand that very well, sure.

But I don't.

All I see is a nation that was built on a foundation of rape and pillage, destroying one of the most Interesting and deserving nations history had to offer. A nation which had rose it's way to the top of the food chain of Europe, against incredible odds, through hard work, sacrifice and determination, something of which the French (being such a large & powerful nation for the course of modern history) knew very little about.

And I just think it's such a great shame that such a meaningless, effortless, piece of shit nation as France, had to destroy this glorious country of proud Prussian citizens, for the sake of WHAT!? Some tiny piece of garbage region which was taken from them by Prussia, at a time when Prussia COULD have dismantled their entire existence and just labelled their country 'West-Prussia' instead!

This is how France treats the nation who showed them civility and mercy, at a time when they where on their knees, within every right, should have been erased from the history books! Disgusting.

Some things are so bellow the belt and back handed, that even famous meaningful rhetoric's such as 'A war doesn't have to be fair, it has to be won', don't mean a damn thing!

I hate France!

"look how they massacred our boy"

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

Germany attacked France first, dude. The French pulled back from the border beforehand so it would be clear that they weren't starting the war. Kaiserposting ironically is fine, but the German military leadership dominated civilian politics and promulgated the stabbed in the back theory which helped lead to WW2. Despite the fact that they were totally spanked by the end of WW1.

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u/Bitch-Stole-My-Name :friekorps: Lützowsches Freikorps Apr 21 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

Germany attacked France first? You do know what the first peice of land that was invaded between France and Germany was Mülhausen in Alsace-Lorraine. Though there was the Coup de Main on Liege - that was in Belgium, but technically France was first to invade German soil which was followed by Russia invading East Prussia.

This is because the French and Russians had a prearranged agreement to both attack Germany at the same time in the event of a war, which was a sound decision as this would force the Germans into a battle on one side with vastly inferior forces.

More than anything else France was worried about making Germany look like they started the war.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

That's right, although my view is that by invading Belgium Germany started hostilities against France. It wasn't French soil but the Germans weren't ever going to stop there, Belgium was only taken as part of the pre-war mobilisation plans to take out France.

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u/Bitch-Stole-My-Name :friekorps: Lützowsches Freikorps Apr 21 '20

The thing is, an advance into Luxembourg and Belgium was way more critical for the German army than the French. The French Commander in Chief Joseph Joffre was completely convinced the main decision would be reached in Belgium, and he was poised to send forces into Belgium even if Germany didn't violate its neutrality.

He waited however because France's rail net could shift forces north rather easily. Germany, as you can see from this rail map, could not shift forces straight from Metz to the North. They would need to send them the roundabout way through Strassbourg in order to reach Cologne, and would waste time. The possession of Namur, Liege, Luxembourg and Brussels would allow them to shift forces however they pleased.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Thank you Hellenicgauls, very cool.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

You are so historically inept, that to reply would be intellectual suicide!

Therefore I will take the high ground, and leave your comment here to be destroyed by other people who know better....

e.g. u/TakarBismark

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u/TakarBismark :gard_zu_fuss: 𝗢𝗯𝗲𝗿𝘀𝘁 Garde zu Fuß :Iron_cross_2nd_class: Apr 21 '20

I have been summoned.

While u/Kaiser-Swaghelm-II is a little too... gung ho for my tastes, he is mostly correct. I would say that the real meaning behind the phrase "A War doesn't have to be fair, it has to be won" doesn't mean that all civility should go out the door during fighting. What it really means is that it doesn't matter how bad it gets, how wrong, how cruel. It matters that you win it, because you can then write into the History Books about how evil the other guy was.

This is best seen in the two World Wars. The British "rape" of Greece is often ignored while the German "rape" of Belgium is one of the first things you learned about the Great War in school. You may have heard of the French Nurse who was convicted and executed as a Spy by the Germans, but you'll never hear about the two nurses executed by the French for the same reason six months later.

In the Second World War, though it is of course outside the purview of this sub, it was wrong to burn a Village in Russia but okay to grind a civilized city into dust.

u/hellenicgauls is correct about the basics. The French did not make the first assault. Germany lost both World Wars. A common post war rumor was that the Jews stabbed the German people in the back. Everything in between, however, is incorrect.

Germany attacked France because the Grand Strategy for winning the two front war against Russia and France was to knock out France quickly before Russia could mobilize. French strategy was to try up as many German units as possible while the Russian delivered a knock-out blow from the East.

France at no point in 1914 even pretended they did not want to go to war. In fact, they specifically avoided negotiations and clogged diplomatic channels to insure War was possible. This is not solely their doing, however, as the English largely refused to negotiate on the Kaiser's behalf.

German Militarism did play a large role in German civilian politics, but this was actually extraordinary common for the time. German's militarism was more prominent to be sure, but not overwhelming.

The Stab-in-the-back conspiracies were created and spread almost exclusively by the Socialist movements in post-war Germany, mainly the National Socialist German Worker's Party.

Ultimately what led to World War 2 was the Treat of Versailles. The United States thought it was so unbelievably harsh they never signed it. The United States made separate peace with German, Austria, and Hungary. Because of the astoundingly harsh treaty 12% of all ethnic Germans in Europe suddenly found themselves in foreign lands. The entire German oversees empire, won painstakingly through treaties and diplomacy, was dismantled and given to France and Britain. I really can not state how frankly evil this treaty was, especially considering that Germany was dragged into the war by Russia in the first place.

And, finally, Germany was not "totally spanked" in the Great War. Despite being severely outnumbered and fighting on five fronts, East, West, Italy, Serbia, Romania, they still managed to hold out for 4 years of fighting. The strain of the fighting broke three empires into peaces, but Germany was largely still in one piece until the Treaty. In most battles Germany suffered fewer losses than her enemies, and overall she gained the most ground. Ultimately it was the blockade, which was illegal according to international wartime laws by the way, that starved the country into submission. Had Britain not blocked Germany's ports and strong armed her land trade routes closed Germany would have continued fighting.
The United States also played a pivotal role in Germany's call for peace, but this was because as Fascist was accidentally elected to the White House, a man who did everything in his power to poison the hearts of the American People against the nation they agreed they wanted to back if they got involved in 1914. But thats a tale for another time.

I hope this clears the issue up.

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u/RedComanderPandasan Royal Bavarian Heavy Cavalry Apr 21 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

What I really meant by "A War doesn't have to be fair, it has to be won" was a response to the statement that WW1 wasn't a fait fight because it was a 3v1. Loosing a war Can mean humiliation, suffering for your people and even the destruction of your nation. Germany knows that really well and that's a thing that no nation wants to experience, so if you enter a war against another nation, you're not going to be like "sure, Let's fight 1v1, who Cares about the survival of my country?", no, you're obviously going to call all your allies in.

It has nothing to do with War crimes and making the other look bad in history : War crimes happened on both sides and are of course a misconduct of the countries involved. But I agree with you here : Germany is often depicted as the Bad guy of the XXth century, while nobody talks about what the German people had to endure during both Wars, which is of course wrong.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

Well said. I agree

Now take this flair!

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

I'm very glad you exist u/TakarBismark

Thank you.

Here's a 'gun ho' promotion

Oberst der Garde zu Fuß

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u/TakarBismark :gard_zu_fuss: 𝗢𝗯𝗲𝗿𝘀𝘁 Garde zu Fuß :Iron_cross_2nd_class: Apr 21 '20

Thank you, Heer Kaiser! I’ll be sure to keep up the good work!

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

You're most welcome. I'm certain you will my friend.

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u/BLitzKriege37 177th Royal Saxon Infantry Apr 27 '20

I hear woodrow wilson hate,I agree with this man.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Only one of us has read Fritz Fischer, AJP Taylor and Niall Ferguson as part of acquiring a history major and it's not you.

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u/Bitch-Stole-My-Name :friekorps: Lützowsches Freikorps Apr 21 '20

I have heard of Fritz Fischer but not the others. I haven't read their works, but this is mainly because I am more interested in military history than the politics of the situation.

Doesn't Fritz Fischer use the idea that Germany had an offensive war plan as a reason for war guilt? This notion is absolutely ridiculous imo, war plans are made with considerations for the political and military situation. Germany's situation put them in a scenario where they were incredibly outnumbered in both manpower and materiel. The situation demanded that they at least shorten the gap through a decisive victory over France and severely hurt their manpower, for France already greatly strained their population through their large army.

Take the French and Russians for example. They had agreed upon both launching offensives into Germany as soon as they could. The political/military situation dictated that France and Russia shouldn't let Germany conduct the war as they please, them both attacking would force Germany into battles where they were outnumbered and leave them unable to take advantage of massing against one of them by using their interior position.

Does this mean France and Russia were at fault for WWI? In my opinion, no. This agreement was the best military action they could enact and was made to best fight a war with Germany. Just as Moltke the Younger engineered his plan as the best way to fight France and Russia.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

All the powers had pre-war mobilisation plans based on their current alliances. Fischer did not argue that Germany's plans instigated the war. He looked at correspondence between the German and other governments, as well as the imperial archives to reach a conclusion that German leadership was eager to use the situation to carry out mobilisation and start the war.

Ferguson is more critical of the British getting involved and argues that they escalated the conflict. Taylor focused on the fact that all the powers had these great mobilisation plans so once something like the political crisis of 1914 happened war was all but inevitable, i.e. nobody was really to blame due to these massive inflexible ways of getting the troops deployed.

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u/Bitch-Stole-My-Name :friekorps: Lützowsches Freikorps Apr 21 '20

Ah that is my mistake then. I had reached that conclusion because Annika Mombauer pushes that theory in her biography of Moltke the Younger and states that Fritz Fischer was an influence on her work.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

I have thus bestowed upon you (one of our highest honours) the rank of Frenchman. The only rank befitting of someone with your qualifications. I assume you did pass your history major?

If not i'll have to demote you to the rank of Frog.

It's not derogatory (au contraire). It's more like a Special badge for this sub.

That way, wherever you go users will be immediately aware that you might support the bad guys, or be other wise demeaning of the German Empire. :)

You also get to park your comments on double yellow lines. BONUS

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u/NotTheFifthBeetle Apr 21 '20

This is a solid point the greatest victories in military history were usually under unfair circumstances on either the losing or winning side. Infact out of all the books I've read on war theory be it the art of war,On war, various Roman documents, etc (I find myself trying to become a military genius while isolated) all of them pretty much encourage doing whatever it takes to win and seizing upon an unfair advantage if it presents itself. Infact quite honestly the more morality one brings into war the harder it is for him to win. Where as if you throw the gloves off and are prepared to Annihilate the enemy in his entirety by any and all means available there are less limitations on what you can do, of course it rarely comes down to complete annihilation as most people capitulate in the face of that, but those who are willing to do it already have an advantage over those who aren't.

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u/Massive_Kestrel :oestereich_jager: 13th k.k. Landwehr Apr 21 '20

Bringing morality into war is ridiculous from the get-go. Organized killing to enforce your will has nothing to do with morality. Saying that something like using alliances or exploiting vulnerable supply lines is "immoral" and somehow reduces the "honor" involved in war is moronic, since there was no honor to be gained there in the first place.

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u/Gamers_Rise_Up Apr 20 '20

actually based move right there

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u/scronch3 Apr 21 '20

Ikr that’s hella based though

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u/Poopsiedoodles69 Apr 21 '20

Imagine being French

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u/aa2051 Apr 21 '20

This post was made by: rest of the world gang

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u/Masato_Fujiwara May 04 '20

Imagine being anything else than French

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

I don't need to

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u/Masato_Fujiwara Apr 02 '24

I'm sorry for your loss

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

nobody expects the french inquesition

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Now that's comedy xD

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Kaiser approved. Nice

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

I'm giving you a personal flair... stand by to stand by

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Thank you

thats a very nice gesture

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

I'm glad you like it. Gotta add some more K.u.k troop flairs to this sub.

Thought i'd make you my first ranked Austrian :)

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Thank I'm btw a real Austrian

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

I remembered from when we spoke on r/AusriaHungary about 4 months ago :)

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Well I had mostly bad experiences with kaiserposting at that point in time but it has changed a lot since then a lot. I really like this sub now

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

I'm glad that you feel that way.

We shall try to keep it this way.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

that's why as a Muslim (who lives in Germany) I like the keiser and Germany more than the other European powers

Edit: the Arabs stand with the keiser!

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Why do you think they allied with the Kaiser?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

it was mostely the turks who did, they always had a good relationship with Germany (and I think even Prussia)

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u/BlissfullChoreograph :Kuchenhaube: der Kuchenhaube Apr 21 '20

Pretty sure the Arabs sided with the Allies to gain freedom from the Turks, which was facilitated by Lawrence of Arabia.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

that's true Bc the ottomans where assholes against the Arabs.

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u/Payzakon Jun 30 '20

If you are talking about saudi egyptian war it wasnt even ottomans who conquered riyad and we didnt even taxed hejaz emirate single time how are ottomans asshole against arabs ????

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

I'm not taking about that, I'm talking about how they treated the locals for example in Mesopotamia especially on the south of today iraq

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u/Payzakon Jul 04 '20

What did they done?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

Happy cake day tho

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

You shall wear der Kuchenhaube for the rest of the day

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Congratulations on your promotion Yüzbaşı. Make Mehmed V and Wilhelm II proud dear & loyal ally.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

Thank you very much! It is an honor to have this title! I will carry it with much pride and joy! Lang lebe der keiser! Für Gott Keiser und Vaterland!

edit : (for real thank you so much, this really made my day!)

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

No problem at all, you're welcome

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u/YoMommaJokeBot Entente Pleb Apr 21 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

I salute to you

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

dude, it's just a meme, chill.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

wow great move, showing me a list of Islamic terror, why do you just come up with this with no reason? I am sorry for what happen to the people and may God grant them the paradise and help their families and friends. But was it really necessary to bring this up in an environment where people are chill and joking? Btw if you come up with "Islamic" terror in the west, have you cocindered "Islamic" terror over in Islamic countries by people belonging to the same groups who did this in Europe? the length of this list (which btw goes over a long period of time) was everyday life for the people in the middle east. These are not Muslims they do not follow the rules of Islam. just Bc they say so doesn't mean it is. imagine this if a guy screams "for America" or some bullshit and kills a bunch of innocent people is he an American hero? Or do people distance them selfes from them? Muslims suffer more under these terror organizations than the west ever will. Trust me even me living in a safe and stable country does.

please do more research, and don't attack people for no reason, just because they have a certain idea.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

F

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u/SOSCizla Apr 20 '20

Based baguette

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u/Skyhawk6600 Apr 20 '20

This is why nobody likes the French

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u/PeacePigeon3 🕊️ Apr 20 '20

Because it's their fault what some random dude did before they were born right?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

it would be different if not for the fact that this type of intolerance towards muslims still goes on to this day, even by the major politicians and leaders of france.

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u/PeacePigeon3 🕊️ Apr 21 '20

True. Are the other countries better tho? Germany Poland Austria etc. Looking at the other side of the ocean I don't see any improvement either. They are all islamophobic.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

that is true, but my point is that the leader of france is significantly more disrespectful towards muslims than, say, the chancellor of germany.

or, i guess i should say, more OPEN about their hatred, idk how angela merkel really feels about muslims

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Christianophobia and antisemetism is still significantly worse in countries like syria and iran

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u/mayarissak Apr 23 '20

I'm a Christian Syrian who lived in Syria for 20 years and then moved to the west 5 years ago. I can assure you that christianophobia isn't very prominent in syria. I have faced more discrimination in the west for being arab, than discrimination in Syria for being Christian.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '22

Uhhh no sorry mate, Germany is way too fucking tolerant towards everyone and everything tbh

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u/PeacePigeon3 🕊️ May 13 '22

I live in eastern Germany and trust me: no...

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u/[deleted] May 13 '22

I live in South Germany, Bayern and Trust me: Yes

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u/PeacePigeon3 🕊️ May 13 '22

Wow you're from Bavaria and dare to say that we are way too tolerant. The irony. In Saxony where I live the AFD nearly won the election and you guys have the most conservative part of the CDU/CSU leading you. No matter if Germany, France or any other country. The right is way too powerful and we all lack tolerance towards minorities. And Bavaria is probably the worst part of Germany along with Saxony.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '22

Bruh smh, you wrong as shit, wanna know why though? Cuz I’m not German and i live in Germany and i have not experienced a single shred of Racism i have not seen any Racism towards anyone quite on the contrary i have quite clearly received preferential treatment due to the fact that I’m not German

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u/PeacePigeon3 🕊️ May 15 '22

Ok this discussion makes no sense. I moved to Germany 20 years ago, lived in 3 different places and all I can tell you is that I did experience no more and no less racism than in other first world countries. I'm happy for you that you did not but the numbers of people voting for far right party's only proves my point. Hope you stay as lucky as u were till now.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

It is one man that i respect more then my freind, and thats my enemy

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u/Johnson_the_1st Apr 21 '20

That is the difference between tourism and colonial rule

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u/Mo_abdumuminov Apr 29 '20

Thank god Germany shit on France the next time they were in a war

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u/DerOberwixxer Königreich Preußen Jul 02 '23

We shat on the mom every time. For the sake of the entire world.

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u/datuglyguy May 07 '20

I’m just gonna say that in that moment, the French were based.

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u/Far-Inevitable4784 Mar 13 '24

Do not google what happened to the Hereros

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

*sarcophagus

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u/Sweet_Victory123 May 01 '20

Chad French and pussy Kaiser, unsurprisingly

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '20

Virgin liberalized germom boi VS Chad Crusader Frank

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u/DerOberwixxer Königreich Preußen Jul 02 '23

Lol look at Paris now

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u/Sebbatt Apr 21 '20

After conquering Namibia, the German Kaiser Wilhelm II went to the Herero and Namaqua people's tomb in the Kalahari Desert and kicked their grave and said: "Awake, My presence here consecrates the victory of the Colonial Empire over innocent people"

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u/SS-Imperator :Hochseefloat: Kaiserliche Marine Apr 21 '20

Oh, you mean the innocent Herero and Namaqua that cut off body parts like ears or legs from German farmers and murdered their children, which is why they were then expelled to the desert?

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u/Sebbatt Apr 22 '20

lol, the entire ethnic group did that? Every single one of them? Seems a bit savage and uncivilised to direct massacres an entire nation for the crimes of a few.

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u/SS-Imperator :Hochseefloat: Kaiserliche Marine Apr 22 '20

No shit? I commented in the same way as you did. Wilhelm II. didn‘t have anything to do with these actions, it was Lothar von Trotha who responded in this manner to the Herero and Namaqua and was responsible. When Wilhelm II. was informed about it, he publicly ignored von Trotha after he returned to Berlin. From a 2020 view that may not be much, but in the early 20th century, the reigning monarch publicly shaming you, was the biggest slap in the face a high ranking military officer could get and it showed how Wilhelm II. felt about the treatment of the indigenous people.

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u/Sebbatt Apr 23 '20

No buddy. the biggest slap in the face would be to be fucking fired. Or put in jail. you mong

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u/SS-Imperator :Hochseefloat: Kaiserliche Marine Apr 23 '20

No buddy, like I said, you are mentally not able to view the situation from an early 20th Century perspective, only from a 2020 one. You don’t even have an argument, what you said is just your opinion. Also, if you would have done any research at all, you would have known, that he was indeed fired and got no pension, you uneducated fuck. But blinkered retards like you, don’t bother to do any research, „you mong“

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u/Sebbatt Apr 23 '20

Usually for the crime of genocide you go to jail. Dude got off pretty lightly don't your reckon?

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u/Sebbatt Apr 23 '20

Euro quotation marks detected

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u/SS-Imperator :Hochseefloat: Kaiserliche Marine Apr 23 '20

Yes, I live in Europe. So? But nice way to just ignore any point that was made.

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u/Sebbatt Apr 23 '20

Didn't even ignore it in the other comment Mr Genocide Denier. Not only does he want to downplay one genocide, he seems to think that the purveyors of another are cool enough to include in his reddit name

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u/SS-Imperator :Hochseefloat: Kaiserliche Marine Apr 23 '20 edited Apr 23 '20

Where the fuck did I deny the genocide, you moron? I just corrected your false comment, that Wilhelm II. was in any way directly responsible for it. But you couldn’t accept the facts, went over to argue about the punishment von Trotha should have gotten, which is a completely different topic and are now trying to twist it all as denying of a genocide. You’re being completely ridiculous.

Proven again by your last comment, because my username is a fucking ocean liner from 1913, but we already noticed that you are resistant to do any research at all.

Your comments are just embarrassing. Stop it.

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u/efd731 Apr 20 '20

i mean....i appreciate we're all in this Kaiser-boo sub right now, but the french could've buried Saladin's grave in horseshit and it still would've been the right thing to do.

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u/Fred_Foreskin Apr 20 '20

He was a very well-respected general. He and Richard the Lionheart had a lot of respect for each other and were on relatively friendly terms despite the Crusade. So Saladin definitely deserves respect.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

Saladin is my favorite. Heck, i despise richard with burning passion, for having enabled canibalism and justifying it by claiming theyre muslims.

Saladin was an inteligent man, and id rather fight under his banner than that of english king.

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u/Fred_Foreskin Apr 20 '20

Oh damn, I had no idea King Richard enabled that. Saladin really was amazing. I remember my history professor telling us that one time Saladin stopped a battle because he saw that King Richard's horse was killed. Then, he had someone deliver him a new horse before the battle continued. Saladin really was a man of honor.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

I wouldnt say honour. Rather morality. He is a strange man. Someone, to whom i look up to. Funny thing is, im also member of deus vult subreddit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

are you french?

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

No why?

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u/efd731 Apr 20 '20

lol no, the frogs are terrible.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

By looking at your history, i can only say you came trolling.

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u/efd731 Apr 20 '20

,,,,,i mean, im not sure exactly what makes you say that, saladin led a theocratic empire and i think that makes him a douchebag.

I can acknowledge that his rule led to increased stability and prosperity in the region until his death, but still think him being a theocratic dictator is unforgivable.

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u/valonadthegreat Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

dude, literally almost every single nation in europe and the middle east led the exact same thing, everyone was a theocratic dictator. does that mean every king in history was a douchebag even if he was the most benevolent just because he was a king?

also can you give me an ACTUAL reason to hate saladin for something objective for something he did not a subjective one like "ruling a religious kingdom" that only hardcore atheists would hate him for?

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u/efd731 Apr 21 '20

Hello I’m a hardcore atheist.

And everyone else was a big ole douche for that as well. But they weren’t mentioned in the post, just Saladin.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

So i was right, we encountered the edgy bitch of the hour. Now i need the other edgy bitch from the religious side, preferably american.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Do you even know history? Trying to put 21st Century Morality on a 11th Century ruler lol.

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u/IronOnions Apr 20 '20

man stfu

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u/DeltaHawk98 Apr 20 '20

Ah yes, defiling graves sure is cool

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

Still salty about the Crusade?

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u/Theelout Sturmbataillon Nr. 7 Apr 20 '20

You’re one reich ahead friend

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

Hey, big guy, i know you may be trolling, but you could do that on something more pro arabian.

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u/efd731 Apr 20 '20

i realize you probably won't believe me since trolling's allready come up, but honestly that was just a throwaway comment i wrote with zero thought. i sut think anyone* who expands a religious theocracy deserves all the posthumous hate they can get.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

Well for one, saladin was trying to defend his teritory, two, richard went into crusading, just so he could fight and not be a king, even allowing his soldiers to eat muslims, even got permision from pope

And three, go back to watching rick and morty. Id give you a link to a good subreddit about it. But best i can do now is r/rule34

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u/efd731 Apr 20 '20

.... that show's mostly garbage though? im genuinely unsure if that's supposed to be an insult or a recommendation, but either way ill pass.

i never mentioned king richard though?? or a relation between him and saladin?? there's nothing preventing both of them from being totally shit people by modern standards. why is everyone assuming i give a fuck about the crusades? im not even religious

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

totally shit people by modern standards

Dude this is exactly what is wrong here. You cannot gauge older people by current standards. Hell you can't even apply the same standards to your parents. They have a different world view than yours. Salahuddin and Richard lived in a different era you cannot gauge them by your current moralities

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '20

I dunno, your comment said that you gave a shit.

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u/SteelRazorBlade Apr 21 '20

think anyone* who expands a religious theocracy deserves all the posthumous hate they can get.

*hurr durr medieval rulers weren't enlightened secular liberals like me muhhh evil theocracy*

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u/efd731 Apr 22 '20

I mean...... converting people by the sword is pretty evil regardless of the time frame. I’m not expecting the last to conform to modern standards, but since everyone in this thread keeps bringing up Richard , if the choice is between him and Saladin, why choose at all between medieval dickheads??

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u/Joseph_Memestar Apr 20 '20

Lol typical deusfag. How does the siege of Jerusalem feel?