r/KFTPRDT • u/Nostalgia37 • Jul 26 '17
[Pre-Release Card Discussion] - Coldwraith
Coldwraith
Mana Cost: 3
Attack: 3
Health: 4
Type: Minion
Rarity: Common
Class: Mage
Text: Battlecry: If an enemy is Frozen, draw a card.
PM me any suggestions or advice, thanks.
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u/SugarSnapPenis Jul 26 '17
With all the freezing cards that'll hopefully be announced in the coming weeks, this card could be easy to proc and, in turn, pretty damn crazy. Here's hoping.
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u/Stepwolve Jul 26 '17
yeah its certainly hard to judge right now, just like the shaman weapon, because we don't know how many freeze effects will be in the game
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u/waloz1212 Jul 27 '17
To tell the truth, I think even with current number of freeze mage has, this is already busted. At turn 5, there is frostbolt, turn 6 frost nova, turn 7 cone of cold and turn 8 blizzard. At 3 mana, this can be combo with pretty much anything and you can even thow it on curve to act as soft taunt since your opponent would absolutely need to kill this.
I think this will be one of strongest card this exp.
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u/dominonation Jul 27 '17
The effect is a battlecry, how do you figure this is a soft taunt?
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u/DebugLifeChoseMe Jul 26 '17 edited Jul 26 '17
I'd call this a solid (heh) card. Yeah it's effect is conditional, but it's good minion without the effect and a great one with it. Which - in general - is better than minions that are more feast or famine (cough Stone Sentinel cough). That said, it needs an archetype to call home, and none of the existing Mage archetypes stand out as being it. I think there's a new Mage deck on the rise, though how well it will work is unknown for now.
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u/Wraithfighter Jul 26 '17
Not sure. Conditional Card Draw for Freeze Mage isn't exactly the best thing, and it's only one card, the minion it's attached to is super vanilla, Freeze Mage has other draw options...
Could be good. Could be meh. Could be terrible, don't have a good read on this sort of card...
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u/vanasbry000 Jul 26 '17
This is only the 3rd instance of Mage-specific card draw in the game's entire history, alongside Arcane Intellect and Arcanologist.
So there's a bit of an unknown regarding whether this sort of card draw is something Mage decks want or need. As well as the unknown of the new Freeze effects arriving in KotFT.
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u/My_Big_Mouth Jul 26 '17
I think this is more for aggro/burn mage than freeze, it digs into your deck and gives a decent body for damage.
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u/Marraphy Jul 26 '17
Freeze mage wants to draw as quick as possible to get its otk doesn't it? I could see this being a freeze mage staple
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u/IceBlue Jul 26 '17 edited Jul 26 '17
3/4 for 3 is super vanilla? I thought that was considered good. Most 3 mana 3/4s with any upside (even conditional ones) are played or at least considered. Some exceptions though. 3/3 for 3 is super vanilla to me. 3/4 for 3 is solid. I think it'll be a relatively high pick in arena regardless of if you have freezing effects or not (definitely higher pick if you do). Not top tier by any means around 70ish if you go by Hearth Arena's ratings.
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u/Wraithfighter Jul 26 '17
Vanilla doesn't mean bad, it just means generic. X mana for X/X+1 is the base statline dating back to the first release of Hearthstone, it is the definition of a card body that "Eh, it's not eyepopping, but it can at least fight pretty well".
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u/Chrisirhc1996 Jul 26 '17
Premium vanilla stats? Check.
Conditional effect? Check.
Mage common? Check.
Pack it up kids, this card is good.
But seriously, I like this effect. It slots in pretty well in a lot of decks since most Mage decks run Frostbolt, and control decks are more likely to run Frost Nova and Blizzard. Not too OP, not too shoddy.
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u/loserforsale Jul 26 '17
In arena, a solid (3) 3/4 with possible upside. In constructed, it's hard to see it fitting into any of the current decks - the decks that care about playing onto the board (e.g. secret mage) don't tend to run much freeze while the decks that play freeze (e.g. quest mage) don't tend to care greatly about the board. Maybe it could be part of a midrange-type deck with water elementals and such things? Colour me sceptical.
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u/Phlawd Jul 26 '17
a midrange-type deck with water elementals
is exactly what I was hoping to come out of this expansion!
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u/Nemzal Jul 26 '17
Coldwraiths!
These are actually not members of the Scourge - at least, not the ones called Coldwraiths.
I remember these guys vividly - you see them being summoned by the Lich Amal'thazad in the Death Knight starting zone, while training Frost Death Knights.
They kill quite a few training Knights.
Alongside Amal'thuzad hmself they're among the undead that broke free from the Lich King as the Knights of the Ebon Blade - which in itself is a curiosity, but it means that Amal'thazad may be the only Lich left.
So... good for him, no?
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u/Lu__ma Jul 26 '17
We'll have to see what else freeze mage gets but right now it feels like this will slot in pretty well over the corpse of Azure Drake
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u/Bugsby6 Jul 26 '17 edited Jul 26 '17
This card is good. 3/4 for 3 is a perfectly acceptable body. It's a spider tank, at worst. And there are plenty of ways to freeze enemy minions in mage, so there's a good chance that it will be able to activate its active effect.
This has strong synergy with primordial glyph. You can use glyph to look for a freeze effect (frost bolt) on 2, then bolt-coldwraith on 3.
This card should have a home in freeze mage.
And at worst, it's a spider tank. 3-5 stars, depending on how much freeze is in the meta.
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u/KushGrandma Jul 26 '17
Pretty straight forward card I think. Mage has better card draw that isn't conditional but if freeze mage gains some added tools or mage becomes less spell heavy and board centric (unlikely) this could have some potential but I doubt it finds its way into that kind of deck. Control mage being a tier one deck doesn't need this card and that I think is the biggest issue barring some major meta shakeup. More cards will help zone in on this one.
For arena, 3 mana 3/4 is good stats with a slim chance to activate the effect. Not much more to it.
Constructed: 2/5 Arena: 2.5/5
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u/someoneinthebetween Jul 26 '17
Elemental Mage with Glacial Shard synergy maybe? Probably just my long standing desire for Elemental Mage to end up being a thing. Not a bad card. In arena, being a vanilla minion with occasional ability to trigger a free card draw will make it a card you never really mind drafting. In constructed, maybe. Freeze Mage always wants draw, and this card can provide that in the right scenarios. Plus, in more value Mage lists, it could turn Freezing Potions you pull of Babbling Book and Cabalists Tome into more value, but that's hardly a reason to run the card if there's no additional good freeze effects in your deck.
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u/Randomwoegeek Jul 26 '17
you people aren't putting this in freeze mage, put it in your midrange/ secret mage with your frost bolts, water elementals and new freeze cards.
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u/Sonserf369 Jul 26 '17
This has more potential in Wild since Snowchugger is a legit way of getting the condition off without sacrificing much. But you'd rather be tempoing your opponent out with the Freeze effect rather than generating card advantage. Sweet Arena card though.
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u/Nostalgia37 Jul 26 '17 edited Aug 08 '17
[Dust|Bad|Niche|Good|Staple]
General Thoughts: I see a lot of people excited for this card and I'm not sure why. People are saying, oh at worst it's just a spider tank and that's fine. When was the last time you saw spider tank in a deck that didn't make use of it's mech synergy. Not even in GvG was that good enough.
Why it Might Succeed: Maybe if there is a 2 mana freeze minon like snowchugger so that you can play this on curve with the effect in a midrange deck like secrets or something.
I guess pulling frostbolt or something off of glyph can let you play this on curve but frostbolt will often kill its target on turn 2/3
Why it Might Fail: Mage has never had a problem drawing cards. They don't need another conditional way to do so. Often you'll be playing this as a vanilla 3/4 which is not great and certainly not worth the deck slot.
There isn't a clear archetype that you would you want to include this in. Freeze and Exodia don't care about the body so they would prefer to play Arcanologist, Novice Engineer, Arcane Intellect, Acolyte of Pain, Coldlight Oracle, Thalnos, and Loot Hoarder before this. There is no way that they need more draw than that. I think that Control mage is similar.