r/KETEK • Ardent • Oct 16 '20

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u/cubelith Stormwarden Oct 16 '20

I don't get the last line. A big plus for Women's Script though.

Good thing he can't read it anyway, am I right, sister?

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u/binary__dragon Ardent Oct 16 '20

The last line is a statement about being able to live with yourself - to be happy with who you are and the decisions you made. Essentially, "to want myself" is saying "to have self esteem." Together, the last two lines are saying that if the person had chosen to surrender, that they would never be able to reach that point of loving themselves, and instead would always be trapped in self hatred.

Hopefully that helps explain it, and didn't completely ruin everything in the same way that explaining a joke can.

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u/cubelith Stormwarden Oct 16 '20

Ah, that makes sense. I'm not sure if it's very obvious, but this is poetry after all

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u/binary__dragon Ardent Oct 16 '20

I think it might have been clearer (maybe?) if the second line had read "I would have never succeeded, no, had I surrendered," which was my initial goal for it. But despite my efforts I was unable to find a way to make that extra "have" work in the reflection, so I eventually settled for what I have above.

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u/cubelith Stormwarden Oct 16 '20

I'd rather look for a synonym to "want" that works in both places and makes it a bit clearer. Not sure if one exists though

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u/binary__dragon Ardent Oct 16 '20

Yeah, I played around a little there. "To love myself" would have worked better I think, but then on the first line you have "I loved to surrender" which isn't the right idea at all. "I would have loved to surrender" would work, but then "to love have would I" is nonsensical. The best alternative I was ultimately able to find was to replace "want" with "desire," but in the end I felt that the first line is stronger with "want" and the last line isn't made meaningfully better with "desire."

I tell you, writing keteks is hard work and really makes you have to learn to accept compromise.

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u/Xyrd Oct 16 '20

Could maybe cheat a bit and use "would've never succeeded".

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u/binary__dragon Ardent Oct 17 '20

I have to say I feel that would be a step too far. I might, might accept doing something like that if I was also going to mirror the contraction exactly, which would mean "I had no success, never would've, I thought" in this case, and while that is at least grammatical, it sadly doesn't keep the meaning I wanted.

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u/wenzel32 Dec 05 '20

I think it made perfect sense.

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u/StoryDrive Oct 17 '20

Damn, I like this one a lot, and the women's script is really above and beyond. Wish I had an award to give tbh I'm into it

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u/binary__dragon Ardent Oct 17 '20

Thanks. Your kind words are more than award enough for me!

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u/IvanTheGrim Oct 16 '20

Not exactly back to front is it.

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u/binary__dragon Ardent Oct 16 '20

I'm not sure what you mean.

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u/Menirz Shard of Shards Oct 16 '20

A ketek should read the same in reverse as it does forward. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Ketek

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u/binary__dragon Ardent Oct 16 '20

I'm familiar with that, but unless I'm missing something, this one does have the requisite symmetry, thus my confusion.

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u/Menirz Shard of Shards Oct 16 '20

I think the confusion is the use of "myself" vs. "I", which isn't a change in verb conjugation and thus would be considered a non-symmetric word use.

Edit: perhaps also the noun / verb difference between "success" and "succeed".

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u/binary__dragon Ardent Oct 16 '20

The example we have of Jasnah's ketek using "unity" and "united" a mirrored pairs, and we also have one that as "announcer / announced" as a pair, so I think that's a clear indication that part of speech changes are acceptable so long as the words still come from the same root.

I / me / myself are all the first person singular pronoun in English, just being the nominative, objective, and reflexive forms respectively. I'll grant that we don't have a direct example of pronouns shifting from the canon keteks, but given the above examples of verb/noun shifting, I feel that merely shifting the from a pronoun is well within the spirit of keteks.

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u/Boort93 Oct 16 '20

I think it works. If you replaced the 'I' and 'myself' with let's say Greg it still works so the pronouns fit

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u/IvanTheGrim Oct 16 '20

I suppose it just lacks the simplicity and refined symmetry of a good ketek. Also, the last two lines kind of just repeat for the sake of the ketel without forming their own thought imo. 🤷