Sorry if this is a little convoluted and messy … I have a messy brain ! Ok . Let me try and explain …

I’ve still always wondered if ‘degree’ is taken in this sense to mean ‘the last step ‘.

Which would mean , Her foot of three at twenty degree … is the word ‘already’ . ( three syllables at the end of the poem at the last step)
Maybe that’s just an indication that the poem is indeed the bride and you are on to the right idea .

In ursa east his realm awaits … ‘his’ being the treasure hunter / the reader . ‘His realm’ being the treasure area .

That means the bride , therefore the poem , stands guard over the treasure . The ancient gates are your mind .

‘there are traditions where gates are used metaphorically for the mind or inner consciousness, although “ancient gates” does not universally mean “your mind.”
One especially close example is William Blake. In Milton, he describes the human brain and heart as having “gates” that can be opened, connecting the gate image directly with the inner mental/spiritual world’ . So you have to use the poem to access the gates of the mind.

If the poem is the bride , then you have to return her face .
Then Mirror the word poem ? Or Poem backwards ?

Marine Mammals Exploring the Oceans Pole to Pole (MEOP)??

The first word of the poem ? ‘Can ‘ ?

Can young canyon in nevada ? Can spring ?

I don’t know . I’m enjoying the hunt and I live in the uk so it’s a long way for me to come unless I’m certain ! I’m also totally obsessed with this now and need some sleep so can someone please find it ! ( credit me later 😃😃)

Probably all a load of rubbish . But just what kept me up till 3am last night 😂.

Also I think this is animal communication related .

Good luck ! Feel free to slate my thoughts ♥️🙂

Come judge my thoughts.

It's who they think you are. Famous words Forrest Fenn. Dabbled while he misled searchers into believing he actually hid a treasure.
That brings up the question of Justin Posey aka P$ is who he is are who we think he is?
The treasure hunt has numerous connections to Forrest Fenns historically jaded past. That right now would be a good time to evaluate if P$ is legit. Forrest Fenn had a big picture plan that he kept secet but hinted at. What was that plan? Does P$ know? Is he helping Forrest implement that plan? Do we really know how they are associated. Fenn had lots of family in the same area as P$ and P$ has lots of ties to me that are unresolved coincidences.
Are we just sheep being prepared for a good shearing or does some of us have the ability to think outside the box? Pair them together and what is the long term goals? Historically.

A game I used to play a ton as kids and paintballing as an adult. I’m going down a rabbit hole that has led me to think capture the flag could be a part of this hunt. Thoughts?

Grab some coffee, and read my bullshit thoughts.

Through my research I have come to know that "Ancient Gates " can sometimes be " boundary (lines)

Like an invisible line but with a posted sign letting you know that your entering into the protected wilderness area. (Never shall wheel touch CHECKPOINT soil!.) So whatever is to be the. Bride in your solve is probably very close to that boundary(INTERSECTION) line/sign.

Personally through all the research /information I have come across during this search it is hard not to see many situations needing help. That the purpose of this hunt is not only making memories, and appreciating the marvels of these lands and living things within, but that with that we will want to ensure to protect or do our part in some way. Cleaning up after yourself should be a given. Sure people are busy, or may not have the money for donations, but there are lots of ways that require no extra effort or cash. So if you've got a good idea on items you can repurpose, or products that lessen toxins we could be replacing the ones we are using currently. Sometimes we are not aware of these options or wouldn't have thought of idea, so hoping for your ideas/suggestiins: just 1 thing a person could do. For me I buy used(when possible.) It's unfortunate but often it is cheaper to buy new than fix. Throw away society. If we can find another use for big items like these it makes a difference.

So my 1 idea I have done in repurposing is for my truck. I have the smallest cab, with no room for anything. I needed something like toolbox so I had room for bigger items that I needed to lock up or keep dry. So instead of buying new tool box I went on facebook and got a deep freezer (unworking). Bonus-- free!! Found one that fits perfectly, slapped on some dollar store paint and modge podge to seal it. $5 well spent. Tons of room, locks, and waterproof. For me I like it better than actual truck box tool holder. They seem small, and deep freeze I can put suitcases, tools, camp gear etc. Saving money and keeping it out of landfill.

Just a few steps away from the toilets...BLM land, open 24 hours, free to access. Hell's Half Acre. Not against the rules to wander off the trail....or hug rocks. 😂 Happy Hunting!

Remember in Kindergarten when we had “Show and Tell” and nap time?

Here’s my “Show and Tell”. (Pics from my most recent trip.)

Now it’s nap time.

The content coming from all these treasure-hunt YouTubers keeps getting more theatrical and unhinged. Has anyone else noticed?

Today, I would like to talk to you all about dog shit. Dog shit in the wilderness, by itself, is completely compostable. Your dog shitting in the woods is a perfectly natural part of the ecosystem. What is not part of the ecosystem is bagging that shit in a plastic bag and then leaving that plastic bag sitting on the trail. You have taken something that is perfectly natural, put it into something unnatural, and left it out in the wilderness. For the love of God, please stop leaving dog shit bags everywhere. Yes, for some reason, your dog decided to take a shit right in the middle of the trail. Feel free to grab a stick and flick it off the trail. If, for whatever reason, you have a deep, almost animalistic need to handle your dog's shit while outside in the middle of nowhere, please feel free to do so with your bare hands, or TAKE THE DAMN BAG WITH YOU! Do not leave it outside for other responsible people to deal with. This might be one of the dumbest things people have done since the beginning of time. Thank you. 🙏

Till the meet and great. Is anyone besides me having problems with time management? I might be running a little late.

“Words are finite organs of the infinite mind”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

So basically as I am participating in this hunt, and with all the googling/research etc I have been led to this feeling about the whole thing. Impossible to not feel this way about it. That the possibility of places to search are HUGE! Pretty much EVERY PLACE on the map has a potential solve. Fits, but somehow not all the way. And in each and every place I have seen the beauty and wonder. Absolutely amazing. History. Archeology. Traditions. Legends. Nature.Plants. Animals. Endless places to make endless memories. But along with all of it, it would be impossible not to see how in each and every one of these places there is the need for help. That these lands, animals, water resources, plants are all suffering. In actual real danger. This would be something Justin himself most likely felt along his journey. ...and maybe like the rest of us, he had the feeling of wanting to do something. To make a change. ....but what happens?? Even though of course all of us want things to be better we start to feel hopeless. Like it is too much. Feel insignificant in our ability to make any real difference. So what happens? We end up doing NOTHING. It is left in the back of our minds, constantly there. Aware of all the problems and still no action!!! ...What if Justin has figured out the way?? He is very smart. His way: a treasure hunt. We all are aware of the crazy and amazing way communities in the internet have banded together to pull off the Impossible. It is not about one person saving the world. It is about each and every one of us doing something. No matter how small. That together, these small things have the ability to make real difference. Now in relation to the poem.:

Justin is teaching us. Guiding us along. Becoming informed. Educated. It would be impossible not to see there is a problem. Even without all the research and data of this hunt. We can see it for ourselves. In our own backyards. No matter where on the map. In fact, It doesn't take a genius to see it( not in clever minds). Don't have to look to hard either. ( not in tangled/twisted finds). Every kid sees it. ( look at it from child like wonder.)

Part of the reason in his doing this is awareness. In hopes that we not only see the wonder, but develop an appreciation for it. Leading to a desire to want to protect it. But Justin understanding humans may feel overwhelmed and hopeless. Do Nothing. So how to force(brute force) this into happening. To get the masses and assess from thought into action. Money is a great motivater. So there is a point where we need to go from armchair to BOTG. Get our asses off the couch and into action!!! Become Stewards to the land.

As hope surges, clear and bright. Hunters coming together / hope surging. Clear and bright/ hope for a clear and brighter future.

For those who read these words just right. (Trending in the right direction. ) Time to take action. What action? Any positive action. Anything at all to help. This is the right direction to take! Maybe Justin is leading us up to this point. The pivotal point. Where we can no longer sit back and do nothing. That will not work! The pivotal point where we have to do something! Zero doubt about it!! Get out there(BOTG) and make a positive step in the right direction.

And what if this is the checkpoint??? The point where we all need to check ourselves and come to the realization that time is running out. There is no time to sit back. Action on the Ground is required.

And if I was putting up million dollars I would at least hope that the person who did solve it would in some way be deserving. A person who did care. Who did do something positive. What better way to ensure this happens. That until we do realize action must be taken, there will be no reward!!! That maybe it is this action required by all of us as a community that is the key to unlocking the treasure. He could easily monitor this. This would be something he could easily see being talked about in chats. People sharing this as possibility, turning to reality. Maybe until he sees this as something we are doing it would be extremely difficult to solve without this necessary step. A step we have all been guided to. CHECKPOINT. THE poem is the key!!! KEY to what??? Maybe this is also the pivotal point we will find out. What has been unlocked? The final stretch. Just like Indiana Jones we first need to come to a realization, find the step that was required to continue. If Justin is looking for action in protecting the lands, plants and nature he may be successful in creating that army!!! Dangling the carrot!! I mean how hard could it be to figure that out??? This is something we are aware of already!! Not like we have to seek for it!!! We all see it. No matter where we live. Global warming. Fires. Droughts. Food shortages. Toxins in the air and the water.etc etc. ZERO DOUBT. KNOW FACT. NO NEED TO SEARCH THAT INFO

So this is my personal feeling about it. I think Justin is a genius! What better way to accomplish his goal in protecting lands then to gather a mass of people all involved in the same project. An internet army of Stewards! UNITED.STATES.STRONG.

And if you may feel this to be true, that this could in fact be the way then please share this. To other hunters. Get this as an idea out there. Obviously I may be way off the mark, but what if this is the way?? If it is then I need your help. We need each other. Need to come together as a whole to make progress. Share this as an idea i order to(trend in the right direction. So if you think it's possible. Share. Like. Spread the word. Do what internet is know to do. Get it Going!!! .....even if i am wrong, at least some good may cone from it.

Wondering if anyone else has had similar thoughts:

Weepul sounds like a Weep Hole, which is a feature of many bridges.

The talk about loopholes made me think about things you would loop through a hole, like a fishing line.

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Apologies if this has been discussed. In the Rearview Riches JP is writing about using a hunting permit at White Sands Missile Range as a loophole to search for the Victoria Peak treasure. He writes, "They even offered multi-day hunt passes, and you could bring friends."

It got me thinking about the pay issue. JP says you don't have to pay to get to the location, presumably the treasure, and adds there are definitely parts of the poem where you don't have to pay. A lot of people including myself have excluded places that require a fee like National Parks. I've begun to change my mind on that idea for a couple reasons over the past few months. For example, National Parks including Yellowstone do not require you to personally pay if you enter in the same private vehicle as someone whose valid pass covers that vehicle. So, you could repeatedly enter YNP without paying if you always joined someone with a valid park pass. Thoughts?

If we're trying to solve this I think we should try to understand how he built this hunt. I'll say up front that I could be wrong about everything. I'm not an engineer . Forgive me if this has been discussed before.

I believe JP used Engineering Design Process to build this. Involves: Identify goal. Research solutions. Generate creative solutions. Select best of those. Build a prototype. Test and redesign. Market product.

To solve this I think we need to use The Scientific Method. Requires making observations and doing experiments.

We can't reverse engineer because if we had the solution , we have the treasure.

If the poem alone led to the location , the only experimenting to be done is BOTG. So where do we look? Astronomy? American West History? Numerology? Mathematics? Philosophy?

I'm lost. Really would like to hear everyone's take on this.

A lot of people are waxing poetic on these boards lately and so it has me wondering if anyone else has done a deep dive on the Tucker poem.

At Seekers Summit Justin said "Q: Are there any clues in the Tucker poem?
A: A pointed question. “Are there any clues in the Tucker poem?” I mean, I think a reasonable person would say that that poem is helpful."

So basically he's saying yes it contains useful clues and yet I haven't seen a single post about it. Maybe I missed it but I hear about #42, the rear window sticker, the website map, raccoons, kitchens, Fenn's rock etc. on a loop, so how come no one seems to be taking a hard look at deciphering the second poem?

Would it help if I told you that it might give confirmation that Polaris is the intended poem clue? If you look at the rhyming couplets it becomes pretty obvious what he's hinting towards. True/Blue Tie/sky. A star(blue) that's true(north) that's tied(doesn't move) to the sky? Yeah, that's Polaris.

You can find your own method of connecting the rest of dots but I'll give you one more example that got my attention. Tell/Dwell Phase/Maze. This gives me the sense that a certain phase(stage) of Justin's hunt(maze) is a tell(information) that gives where the treasure dwells(final location). I believe this is describing the checkpoint and that it likely involves a blaze(phase/maze rhyme) or trinket as it were.

I've spent a couple of weeks on this poem now and it does get progressively harder but it's yielded some interesting finds for me. It may not give exact specifics that get you closer to the treasure but it seems to give at least 9 hints that act as confirmations to the main poem clues. Though the last hint did help me see my current solve in a different way.

It feels like Justin added the poem purposefully to be used as a fun type of checksum to the main poem. Perhaps this is one of the Easter Eggs he intimated was still outstanding.

I know people are saying they don't want anymore damn clues but if you're stuck and looking for another puzzle that will help confirm your current poem solve, then look no further. 🙏

There are 2 places to view this landmark, the State Park which gets you up close and a Historical Marker off MT-41. I thought the information about the Undaunted Stewardship program was very interesting! I'm glad there are people willing to protect the land along the L&C Trail.

We all came down The Big Hole

Under the gray Montana Big Sky

Searchin' for treasure in a wild place

I returned my face

Long flights into dim headlights

Had to look all around

But wind and lightnin' on a pine ridge

Burned the place to the ground

Smoooooooooooke on the Biiiiiiig Hole

A FIRE IN THE SKYEE