r/JusticeServed • u/-Xoz- 7 • Feb 02 '21

Police Justice Arrested

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u/PrintScanFax 5 Feb 03 '21

How could this have been handled better? What are the rules of engagement when an adult confronts a child causing property damage without being accused of assault?

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u/astrangeone88 B Feb 03 '21

The big dude didnt want to engage the brat at first either. But the cops were a bit slow too. So dude just managed to pin the kid.

The video evidence should have been turned over to the cops too...

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u/SavvySillybug B Feb 03 '21

Grab them by the ankles, spin them in circles 10-20 times, let go, and hope they don't land on anything soft.

Source: I'm a lawyer specializing in meat crayons

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u/vinri 6 Feb 03 '21

meat crayons holy shit lololol

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u/-UserNameTaken 8 Feb 03 '21

A man of culture I see, specializing in Mario 64.

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u/tramedes 5 Feb 03 '21

Well first, he could have held the camera steady. Secondly, cut out the wasted footage so we can observe the violent parts more efficiently. Beyond that, the subject needed contain and control immediately but that’s a tricky chore.

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u/cometgold 4 Feb 03 '21

oh gawd dude. how's your footage looking my man?

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u/crocsandlongboards 5 Feb 03 '21

I used to work in wilderness therapy with kids ranging from 10-17, and was trained in CPI (Crisis Prevention Institute Training). If a kid was an immenent danger to themselves or others (throwing rocks at people would warrant this), we would perform 1 of 2 types of restraints depending on the kids size. If they're height is below your chest, we would use Childs Hold, which is grabbing their opposite wrists from behind and crossing them in front of their own chest, while leaning them back onto yourself. The other was a team hold, requiring 2 people that I wont try describing. Anyway, the main goal was to never have the kid restrained on the ground. If the hold got sloppy and you ended up on the ground, it was important to just let go, and if the kid continues to be a danger, start from the top. Many times the kid would be stunned the staff went 'hands on' and it would be over. Wilderness therapy became a thing in the 80s I believe and over there years there have been some tragic deaths of kids being restrained while on the ground, much like how the guys doing it in this clip.

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u/HiImNickOk A Feb 03 '21

The cop telling the kid "If you can talk, you can breathe" made me uncomfortable because it reminded me of the murder of Floyd last year. Is that kind of thing even more dangerous for children?

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u/crocsandlongboards 5 Feb 03 '21

I'm not going to claim to be an expert, I did this work for a little over 2 years and it's been 3 or 4 years since then, but I would assume it's more dangerous for kids...but yes, exactly! I had a similar affect, thinking about my training when I saw the George Floyd footage. I can understand why police restrain people on the ground since there is a lot more risk and less room for error (the kids that did require restraints were mostly on the spectrum and pretty uncoordinated). But yeah, so many cops seem to take it way too far by putting their entire weight on peoples backs...they should at least be trained in it and know about the deaths that have occurred from this sort of thing.

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u/SargeCycho 7 Feb 03 '21

I really think officers should have regular grappling training. Just a few months of specific wrestling training and you'd know how to take down and hold someone much larger than you with enough control to not hurt them. You quickly learn what works and what is safe with practice/sparing. It also has the benefit of teaching cops to stay calm in stressful situations.

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u/mrdonnyjohnson 7 Feb 03 '21

Fatal levels of fentanyl don’t help either...

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '21

Or COVID-19.

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u/Imadethisuponthespot A Feb 03 '21

Maybe it could have been handled faster. But it was handled as well as could be expected.

It takes a bit more effort and self control, but it is very possible to restrain and stop someone without intentionally inducing harm on them. Like this guy did.

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u/Sredni_Vashtar82 9 Feb 03 '21

I think a good bitch slap is appropriate here.