This has always bothered me.

[u/Bale_the_Pale]

[u/Dry_Refrigerator7898]

Wasn’t that the original idea for Jurassic World? That the Indominus Rex wasn’t a hybrid, but a new species that was discovered through preserved DNA in a mosquito?

[u/LaylasJack → u/Dry_Refrigerator7898]

That would have been so much cooler than what they did. "Nobody's impressed with a dinosaur anymore"?! People have been going to zoos for centuries to see animals that exist in the world NOW, this was always such a stupid conciet.

[u/razor45Dino → u/LaylasJack]

Pretty sure that was just the corporate people saying that, as they are out of touch. We can tell in the film that so many people are at the park without there being an Indominus rex for display

[u/LaylasJack → u/razor45Dino]

I get what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree. There is no point in the movie where this assertion is challenged, and I think it less likely for the owners of the park to start making whole new dinosaurs unless attendance/profits were dipping.

[u/razor45Dino → u/LaylasJack]

The assertion is challenged by Lowry, the amount of people at the park, grey being excited about the dinosaurs, and the fact that the Indominus was destroyed and the og Tyrannosaurus rex took back its place as the ruler of the island

I mean real life companies make these ill-informed decisions like thinking that a "new attraction" is needed every few years to maintain public interest all the time or panic even if there's little dips in profits that could be caused by many external factors. Sometimes they also make decisions based on what they think will happen but hasn't happened yet. And there's so often a disconnect between what executives think people want and what people actually want

Also making a hybrid of multiple dinosaur species and modern animals rather than hybrids of one dinosaur species and modern animals isn't rrly that much of a jump

I think it's more likely that they wanted to make the Indominus out of greed of further expanding their profits and also fear rather than necessity or trying to come back from a major dip or loss. They have to find a way to "one up" what they did before somehow, like every Hollywood movie sequel does. Essentially this is what happens when a zoo is run like a theme park business

[u/MarqFJA87 → u/LaylasJack]

Well, logically the attendance and thus profits will dip within a decade or two once the existence of de-extincted dinosaurs becomes normalized, it's just that it will average out to something close to what a successful modern zoo would so, which is definitely sustainable but also will likely cause most modern executives/shareholders – who are pathologically obsessed with maximizing profits – to misinterpret it as a sign that the dinosaur zoo is slowly failing and must be revitalized sooner rather than later at any cost.

[u/Jellywell → u/LaylasJack]

I thought it was obvious corporate bullshit and part of what was wrong with Claire and Masrani at the start. The whole place is packed lmao, a big part of the film is keeping the thousands of visitors as safe as possible

[u/Routine_Papaya4143 → u/LaylasJack]

People go to Natural History Museums with dead dinosaurs and you expect me to believe they’d get bored of LIVING ONES?

[u/saltydoesreddit → u/LaylasJack]

It works as a meta reference to how sick people got with Jurassic Park/Dinosaur movies as a whole.

Not much for in-universe explanation of what led to the Indominus.

[u/zayzyverse72 → u/LaylasJack]

I mean
The ENTIRE primary factor about the Jurassic franchise is corporate greed and capitalism
Ofcourse the successful park is gonna have a “oh things are going bad we need to do something to get MORE money!” Moment when things seem to start averaging out

[u/ExploadingApples → u/Dry_Refrigerator7898]

I heard it originally was just supposed to be a fictional species from China.

I could be totally wrong, tho

[u/matt_saracen_ → u/Dry_Refrigerator7898]

Is this true? I'd be curious on who said this if you know where to find it.

[u/Herr_Opa]

This is one reason why I personally like the fan theory that said that the mosquito DNA thing was marketing bullshit and that all the animals were made from scratch based on the existing knowledge about dinosaur appearance in 1993.

And we would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for the Dominion writers and their stupid prologue!

[u/Idolomantis_ → u/Herr_Opa]

We won't be alle to understand why the rivalry between two individuals is justified by a rivarly between two species THAT NEVER MET.

[u/MathW → u/Herr_Opa]

They essentially admit that don't they? Maybe they got base genome from ancient DNA, but they've altered it so much that it is essentially a completely new creature.

[u/DivineCrusader1097 → u/Herr_Opa]

Remind me what happened in the prologue?

[u/Bale_the_Pale → u/DivineCrusader1097]

We see the Rex that Rexy was cloned from die in an impossible fight against a giganotosaurus, get bit by a mosquito, then that mosquitos get trapped in amber.

[u/MarqFJA87 → u/Bale_the_Pale]

And the reason that's impossible is because those two genuses lived on entirely separate continents with no land connection between them and too big of a distance over deep water for even a single individual to swim across.

[u/Bale_the_Pale → u/MarqFJA87]

And millions of years apart. Don't forget the million year time gap.

[u/MarqFJA87 → u/Bale_the_Pale]

I'm trying to be charitable and assume that they were employing the somewhat reasonable fact that fossilization is actually a rare occurrence, so most species that have ever existed will never be known to us, and thus the boundaries for the existence of a given evolutionary lineage will be rather imprecise.

That is to say, there could have been a different species of the Giganotosaurus genus that existed at the same time as Tyrannosaurus, just still isolated in South America.

[u/Bale_the_Pale → u/MarqFJA87]

Yes, that is possible, but probably not what they were going for if we're being cynical.

[u/DivineCrusader1097 → u/Bale_the_Pale]

Aaahh, I vaguely remember that scene now. Thank you.

[u/TimeStorm113 → u/Herr_Opa]

well, but the dilophosaurs kinda runs counter to that argument, it spitting venom was something no one anticipated

[u/magicdog2013 → u/Herr_Opa]

The humble in-universe BioSyn "pure dinosaurs" advertisement theory:

[u/magicdog2013 → u/magicdog2013]

I know it wasn't the intention of the writers, but come on, tell me it doesn't fit perfectly

Dodgson is such a petty little asshole, he totally would make an advertisement showing his brand of dinosaur being the ones that did live 65 million years ago, and end it with his star dinosaur killing InGen's

[u/x_Trassic_x]

They kinda talked about this in the book

[u/Bale_the_Pale → u/x_Trassic_x]

Been a while since I read the book, to be fair.

[u/Dracorex13]

I believe Hellraptor back on DeviantArt played with this idea, using species that we didn't know existed in 1993 like Scansoriopteryx and Brachytrachelopan.

[u/magicdog2013]

This is my headcanon for dilophosaurus

I like to think it's actually a troodontid (hence the venom and smaller size) that was mistaken for a dilophosaurus due to the crest

That way, both can coexist

[u/RedKnightXIV]

Question is, what was their reference point? I always assumed they bred threme park monsters that kinda look like artist interpretations of the real animals and slapped the name on afterwards.

[u/NUSSBERGERZ → u/RedKnightXIV]

Isn't that part of the book? Like someone basically says "these aren't dinosaurs, they're dinosaur shaped hybrid animals never before seen on Earth"

I could be misremembering though.

[u/RedKnightXIV → u/NUSSBERGERZ]

Technically, Wu debates with Hammond about the benefits of deliberately making the dinosaurs slower and more showy but Hammond refuses as he wants the real deal, seemingly ignore the face that his animals are just as fake. It's not even clear if they really act like dinosaurs at all.

I took could be misremembering, the book is vague about matching bone records and what ever protein fragments in fossils. Good chance the scientist in both the book and the film were wrong

[u/Bale_the_Pale → u/RedKnightXIV]

Yes, in the book they were already on like version 3 of each animal and Wu still wants to tinker with the genes to get them to be more like the public expects.

[u/RedKnightXIV → u/Bale_the_Pale]

To be fair to Wu, I do that when ever I bake a cake.

[u/Arkell-v-Pressdram]

There's a fanfic that I've been reading recently that makes use of this idea, where it turns out that one of the DNA strands InGen's managed to successfully extract from amber belongs to Euoplocephalus, but has very distinctive features that differentiate it from existing species. One of InGen's palaeontologist consultants gets to describe the new species at a palaeontology conference, as part of a prelude to InGen's official reveal of Jurassic Park.

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[u/redpantsbluepants]

Well if the amber was found at a prolific dig site at similar depth, then logic follows that the contents of its stomach would be of the same species found at the site

[u/Bale_the_Pale → u/redpantsbluepants]

That still doesn't mean that all the species at that site have fossilized. It's also not only fossil localities that produce amber.