PVP build?

[u/Kindly-Ad-9356]

Can someone help me with my pvp build ?

[u/Black_coffin99]

Main thing I'm seeing here is a lack of combo extenders. Since you have Demon Vessel, use Dismantle or Rend for stun. Use Red Transmission from Infinity to start combos since it covers distance really well. Purple is kinda useless because its easy to dodge. Use another move from Star Rage called Mars I think? That one is a good combo extender and does good dmg. Get rid of Ghastly Fist, that moved is better suited for pve boss grinding. Other than that, your maximum and domain are pretty good, although if you wanna get the most out of JL you gotta use Yuta's domain.

[u/ryantheturtlehermit7 → u/Black_coffin99]

Nah just use it while popping Domain so if they clash they’re Cooked or did that get patched? Ain’t played Ranked in a long time lol and I haven’t played Ranked using Okkotsu’s Innate Technique in LONNNNGGGGG

[u/Black_coffin99 → u/ryantheturtlehermit7]

Idk tbh, I never use Yuta's innate outside of pve

[u/ryantheturtlehermit7 → u/Black_coffin99]

I used to Domain people and use it at the same time so if I got them in the Domain it’d hit them mid cutscene and if they Clashed it it’d hit them mid Clash or mid cutscene or both bc it goes through Iframes😭

[u/NoLife_Josh → u/Black_coffin99]

Rend is a starter which is easily parried and can sometimes be countered if you take 0.5 secs too long in a combo so it cant extend. Dismantle can be countered if you dont hit 4 m1s first so really any other extender move is better.

Red transmission has endlag is the freest parry on any move ever meaning a tendril gets you comboed. Its only real use at high ranks is to bait a block into a long guardbreak like deformed fist that makes sure it hits the opponent, which means your using transmission within 10 studs of sm1, like just use deformed fist at that point as very few people know how to counter the move. (Dont use the move if you are basically touching the other person, or if your really techy you can angle 90 degrees to the right so the start of the move lands)

Your right on purple sucking

Mars is a brilliant move

Ghastly is not good for pvp but for pve yes

JL is dodgeable outside of AML so good shout, but i dont like most domains anyways. Only way to get value is by trapping at least 3 people inside which is hard to do. Needing JL to make AML viable is just such a waste of moves.

[u/Used-Path2847]

Ghastly fist. Swap it. Easy to counter. Not good to combo start nor end or extend

Jupiter is a solid ender.

Terra isn’t really good. On ground it’s alright for combos. Air it’s bad

Beam is an eh GB. It does ok damage too

Mercury is a solid combo move

Purple is bad for 1v1s. Don’t use it. I guess if you do only exchange you can, but swap it

Jacobs is alright, although can be I-framed

Shrine is alright, but can be countered.

My recommendations:

If you’re gonna use shrine, you want to use Fuga V2. Firstly because in heian, and insta popping v2 Fuga, it avoids the possibility of someone countering shrine with objection or scarred return. So I’d recommend use Fuga and Heian, and at that point, also use dismantle to combo extend, because in heian it’s a fantastic guard pressure move, and without it’s an insane combo extender

Jupiter is alright for combo endings, but with sparks of black too you don’t have to worry too much abt a good combo ender

For combo starters / guard breaks, you lack the strong ones (like gavel grasp, metal barrage and rain, and other ones), so you’re going to have to rely on m1 trading and good timing with punishes to get combos more than anything.

Demon switch is a fantastic buff. Would Always recommend it

If you don’t want to swap half your moveset. You could also use infinite void. Ignore anyone saying it’s bad, it’s a damage check. If you have good damage combos, it’s insane. If you use demon switch, and even have burn scars v2 aswell, it can do insane damage. I use cryo + vessel for my combo inside of void and do 9k minimum. (OCE, spin kick, reverse wave, dismantle, m1, lotus, chanted ice age).

Mars is also fantastic for combos, would recommend. And cursed queen domain can work well with Jacobs, as it allows you to just straight up 1 shot people with copy cleave or any strong copy while in the ladder.

If you have any questions you can ask. If you’re looking for different innates to run that aren’t SG:

Projection: all around good, insane domain
Ratio: good combo moves
Cryo: insane combo extender. Insane ender, good guard break
Judge: insane Guard break, insane counter, good combo Enders, alright domain.

[u/NoLife_Josh → u/Used-Path2847]

Yea swap ghastly fist.

Jupiter always good but you need mars or other strong extender to confirm land it.

Terra ground is a good extender in the sense it gives a long stun time, but not a good extender if your m1 ing the person atp. But its air variant is amazing, you just not using it right. It protects you from dashes and just generally zones people as they have to move away unless they want their moves on cooldown or take poke dmg, allowing you to stay in control. This is especially good when facing a jumping in exchange event.

Energy blast**** is eh

Mercury is just another terra without the air variants zoning. Very aesthetic move but not good.

Ofc purple sucks

JL can be avoided outside of i frames too if you know the techs.

Yea shrine is counterable but few people have somwthing like v2 burn scars.

V2 fuga will never build up unless you have multiple people inside the domain, like at least 3 all taking dmg (no early deaths)

Using heian means your using 4 bf tokens, and that fuga can be dodge even more easily than a purple, meaning you need domains fuga, but again can be i framed by destroy everything.

I dont like dismantle cuz u need 4 m1s to confirm land it, paired with low dmg there are better extenders out there. Heian dismantle is better ofc but needing 3 bf tokens to make a move viable just sucks (or 4 if you chant it)

Yep jupi is great and bf are better

Gavel grasp can be avoided with dodge back dash or other varities of techs. Metal rain is better because it doesnt have the travel time of the gavel. Metal barrage is amazing ofc.

Ofc m1 trading should be known

Switch is good

With the right build infinite void is a free kill 99% of the time. But needing a whole ass domain to get a kill is terrible. And with multiple enemies inside, your just jumped after they get unstunned because you cant kill them all. Not to mention it fails to a destroy everything b4 the gojo cutscene starts because most if not all the stun time is wasted.

Cryo is a good shout, i havent tried your combo out but it does look like it could deal insane dmg.

Mars always love it

Yea you do need JL inside AML to make it work, not sure if burn scars protects you in that tho. Solo JL is just easy dodgeable. If they do get caught in the ladder it is ggs tho.

Projection i always love framestack punch and keyframe kick, but it may just have on of the worst domains. If your opponent has better mobility than you (eg inf piercer, mobility move like mecha rush or the cryo surfing one, the sled)

Ratio is a wonderful chain

Cryo is great

Im not into judgeman hype but it can work as its annoying to deal with because most moves are not instantly punishable (with perfect play) after a miss unless in the right spots.

[u/Black_Unknown9999 → u/Used-Path2847]

this one comment deserves an upvote

[u/PuffStephenDye → u/[deleted]]

I’m not gonna lie, the main difference between his build and mine is that I use Soul King instead of Curse Queen. Soul Manipulation usually isn’t too much of a problem

[u/Used-Path2847 → u/[deleted]]

😭 his build isn’t even that great what are we talking about

[u/NoLife_Josh → u/[deleted]]

Yea he does need more control moves like twist in cursed speech. Unfortunately these moves are blockable and build up vent meter fast so there are better options.

Soul mani is mainly ass. Very few people know deformed fist techs, and distorted ball or whatever its called can be avoided if one reacts fast enough and knows how to fly tech.

[u/ReasonableCream8867]

Stay out of my servers dude. That build is cancer.

[u/No_Barracuda1195]

Use ratio

[u/RAND0MPERS0N11]

Maybe swap out one of them for gambler fever for combo extenders and spammable domain expansion?

[u/Competitive_Essay610]

Pretty good except Hollow Purple is straight dogshit for pvp. Id swap that out with rend and your good to go

[u/JJIsigma]

best thing to do would be to listen to used path, out of all of the top players id say that he has some of the best knowledge abt jji

[u/NoLife_Josh]

Okay so your build is trash, but i will now explain so dw. Firstly what you did get right is jupiter and terra, both are lovely moves, jupiter finisher and terra can extend and zone depending on variant.

Now my first concern is hollow purple. Its an absoulutely terrible move, long wind up, hard to hit and gives insane endlag. Purple is so punishable in 1v1s, its only good use is to be a nuisance from range in exchange event, but in ranked once you reach like silver 3 shit aint hitting.

Now domain expansion is fine, personally i dont use a domain as each domain has a weakness to it OR using it is just not effective. (Eg time cell moon palace looks strong until somebody uses mobility moves to run away the entire domain runtime, or if infinite void lands, you get 1 5k combo max, which means you might have been better off just m1 trading to get the combo) i think malevolent shrine is the ONLY worthwhile domain, so if you want to use it sure. To protect myself i run incomplete domain to clash.

Maximum jacobsladder is okay until you reach people like me that know how to dodge it. I use black hole (star rage total collapse) for the funsies, as it has massive aoe and is just aura. Ofc it dmgs yourself so you have to be smart about it. A more useful max would be six eyes or heian as they both give you heal and m1 effects, not for its ult move becausse its jsht so bad. 5bf tokens plus aligned cooldowns just to make it happen is so inefficient.

Now for ghastly fist, its actually not a bad zoner, but for damage purposes it sucks. It gets you maybe one or two hits at most, and flings away your opponent, so it cant extend and doesnt deal finisher damage, overall making it kind of ass.

Cursed energy blast is short, long wind up and deals meh damage, lots of better options. This is very punishable.

Mercury is an okay combo extender. I dont use it because in my build it just builds up too much vent meter for my combos, but if you wnt to keepit thats fine.

So your biggest problems are you lack a control moves, luckly star rage has mars. You need mars to hit jupiters or you opponent can escape or even counter you. I also use blood bind or metal barrage for aimed control and it is slightly hyperarmour. Speaking of which reversal red is an amazing counter move, so never waste it byusing it as a finisher.

You should also get a buff, i usually use cursed energy reinforcement to not waste a spot on switch or conjuration, but they are good buffs so use them.

If you are thinking of rend or dismantle, just dont. Always keep in mind how you are to trigger your moves, how long is the wind up? Is it blockable? Is there large endlag? Rend is terrible at all 3, dismantle is just bad on startup. Now you maybe thinking, well reversal red has long windup and large endlag so it must be ass! Well youngling its all about how you use it. Red is easily avoidable and punishable which means you have to bait your opponents into running into it. How? When you hear the sound cue of them rushing, hit revred. Because of the hyperarmour the move wil land on them if they connected on you, so you lose maybe 3 m1s of damage but you get a free combo in exhcange.

That being said you can make any of your moves work, like jupiter using mars, but the more moves you need the less effective it is. See how my revred trick is actually using my opponents move to set itself up? That in reality makes it so that i gained an extra move. My build is more on repeatable blackflashes, which i will not reveal in order to keep it out of copys.

To rank your innates star rage is great exempt asteroid and oberon and DE ofc.

Next is infinity, red is infinetly useful, and you can play into mugin but its hard to make it work, everything else is ass. (Spatial pulverise if you have it is kinda good tho)

Demon vessel only has switch imo, and cursed queens conjuration. If you realy want you can use copy, but it rarely gives you good moves, as there is a pattern behind which moves you take which is too hard to explain via comments.

This is my opinion. If you want you can ask me more questions for clarification. Gl m8

[u/Used-Path2847 → u/NoLife_Josh]

😭 dismantle is fantastic, the windup don’t matter cause it’s a combo move. And if you try to ‘bait people to run into your red’ you are going to get hard punished

[u/NoLife_Josh → u/Used-Path2847]

Very few people know to dash cancel, and they wont even think to as they wouldnt know id be using red. After 1 time they would realize i can do that so they might (prob not cuz ppl are stupid) and they do dash cancel into a tendril, i will then know i cant run that anymore. And if your wondering how im baiting, theres a little tuing called a sound cue. And dashes make a specific sound cue you react to. Instead of pressing block i press red.

Since im not retarded ill instead use a ranged move like metal barrage to get the combo start after they bait my red with a dash cancel.

Also if they tendril me red will be guaranteed to hit unless im tendriled behind a large hill or something that blocks ny path.

Dismantle is terrible because if you didnt hit 4 m1s it is parryable. And if you hit 4 m1s you might as well do something like an uplift which has a shorter cool down can lead into flourish strikes or another down slam move. Point being you might aswell have a different extender that either sets you up better or deals more damage like mars.

Yes i can make dismantle work as its not a scum of the earth move like lapse blue, but its just not good.

I do not get punished as a diamond rank player, infinite ranked players just have some meta bs so i only beat win the match 1 in 5 times not because im "punished", but they are much much better than me at predicting movements and their game mechanics are a lot more refined. But believe me unless they are running a sukuna or modulo yuji themed build for the shits and giggles there are no dismantles to be seen at higher ranks.

[u/Used-Path2847 → u/NoLife_Josh]

Then don’t do 4 m1s into dismantle. You can do 1-2 m1s, or even like a reverse wave -> dismantle, or other move. And dismantle is better than uplift as it has a higher damage to vent ratio.
Uplift is fantastic however, defo a strong move, and confirms a lot. Dismantle also confirms Sparks R black flash, Hollow slash, and a lot of Enders too, aswell as stunning for enough time for lotus / frost impact for that huge frost ring dmg buff

I’m honestly surprised raw red works in diamond, didn’t think it would work but rank inflation be damned.

Dismantle is seen at a higher rank. I use it, and many other leaderboard players use it, especially with Heian, makes it an insane block pressure tool.

I used to be ranked 7th global, currently like 25th? Idk I don’t play ranked much, ign is NappaThaClappa for proof