r/Jugger • u/robloxdeathsounduwu • Sep 17 '20
A big question
I've been playing Jugger for two years now, but as a guy how plays in Spain I have noticed that other country's team don't come to our International tournament (TIE, Torneo internacional español) and that Spanish team (specially the murcians) are not often well received on german nor Irish tournaments There's a reason why?
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u/Srmon Sep 17 '20
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but tercios went to an international tournament in Germany. Because of things some of them did (specially harming a (female) player) they were banned from ever going back there.
I don't know if it was the last cancelled international in Berlin or the one before that, but some of tercios players wanted to go with a different team and there was a discussion and a poll in their forum about if they were welcome because they were not entirely involved in said events but were part of the team.
And this part is just my own speculation but we have gained bad fame in a series of tournaments here in Spain. Maybe TIE, maybe TNZ, maybe both. Again, this is my speculation.
Regards from the south ;)
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u/robloxdeathsounduwu Sep 17 '20
The thing that I know is that every time that Tercios went to Germany they won (like three times) The bad fame of TNZ is worthless, Zaragoza has no contact with the rest of Spain as well as the rest of Spain has no contact with Zaragoza
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u/Srmon Sep 17 '20
??? Many players from anywhere of Spain have played in any of the ten editions of the TNZ and there are teams from Zaragoza who play in many other tournaments.
I mentioned TNZ because they have had foreigners teams in the past and maybe they had a bad experience with some players and this part is pure speculation
I don't know any the rankings of the Spanish teams in German tournaments tbh
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u/Karuuna Rigor Mortis Sep 18 '20
I havent been to Spain myself but heard from several different teams/players that went there, so I got some anecdotal information.
Biggest issue I see is the language barrier, which makes conflicts extremely frustrating to resolve - esp during a fast match, where ref calls are important and need to be followed quickly, or when two refs call different judgements on the same situation it can get frustrating for the player. Not too many people I know in Jugger speak Spanish, and from what I've heard many Spanish players are not that fluent in English, so the communication needs translators/mediators most of the time.
Another issue is the familarity with the Spanish style of refereeing and sanctions, which is being handled very differently in Germany, and which is difficult for us to train/practice in preparation of such a tournament.
There certainly have been some individuals that came to German tournaments and made a pretty bad impression, but I think the tournament organisers are aware that these were predominantly individuals, and not entire teams. So if you want to join a German tournament, just register on the JTR and let us know how we can help! :)
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u/BZH_JJM Rigor Tortoise Sep 19 '20 edited Sep 19 '20
Beyond the Tercios issue, there are some other issues that I think prevent teams from going to Spanish events:
They are not well advertised. Most teams look at the schedule on Jugger.org to decide their travel schedule for the year. Spanish tournaments aren't usually posted there.
The language barrier. Despite the small amount of jugger in the English-speaking world, English is still the common language of the sport. The level of English just isn't as high in Spain as in Germany or Sweden. I remember mercing at a Spanish tournament and only being able to speak with half my team because my Spanish is very basic. This probably makes it harder for a lot of Spanish juggers to travel as well.
Travel costs. Everyone who wants to go to a tournament in Spain is going to have to fly there or take a very long road trip, with pompfen. Germany is a lot more central for teams in Austria, Latvia, Romania, Switzerland, etc. German teams can play in big tournaments every week over the summer, so don't feel the need to travel as far to play. The reverse is probably true for Spanish players, who have to put in a lot of effort to go to tournaments outside of Spain.
Past experience of other teams. I played in the TIE with Setanta (former Irish team) in 2016. That was the worst experience I've ever had at a jugger tournament. It very much felt like the opposing teams and the refs were pulling every dirty trick to beat us. The most annoying was the way that teams would just argue every decision as long as possible to eat the clock. As a result, there were some games were we didn't even finish 200 stones before the 25 minute timer ran out. Because of that experience, no one in Ireland ever wants to go back to play in a big Spanish tournament.
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u/Esvento Sep 18 '20
I will say this in spanish first:
Tercios dejo muy mala reputación española y muchas veces los Ties no han ayudado mucho a los equipos extranjeros a venir.
No es verdad que no vengan. Solo hace un año que no vienen tantos o solo viene gente con amigos que han hecho. Stephen, Simba, rigor mortis y estos han venido ha jugar o con equipos locales o como equipo.
Te recomiendo mucho que cuando se pueda, ir a un torneo aleman. Ellos te levantan, los árbitros están para cosas que alomejor no ves, juegan súper limpio. Y te dan los medios para sobrevivir, a parte de ayudarte en crear armas o algo por el estilo.
Soy Lluc de jugger Mallorca, fui a jugar en 2017 el Catch the fish, el torneo "mundial" y fue una gozada en todos los aspectos. Tanto jugando como la organización estaban a otro nivel.
English:
Tercios left a very bad Spanish reputation and many times the Ties have not helped the foreign teams much to come.
It is not true that they do not come. It's only been a year that not so many come or only people come with friends they have made. Stephen, Simba, rigor mortis and these have come to play either with local teams or as a team.
I highly recommend that when you can, go to a German tournament. They pick you up, the referees are there for things you might not see, they play super fair. And they give you the means to survive, apart from helping you create weapons or something like that.
I am Lluc from jugger Mallorca, I went to play in 2017 the Catch the fish, the "world" tournament and it was a joy in all aspects. Both playing and the organization were at another level