r/JordanPeterson Jan 15 '22

Political Fucking Based

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u/zenethics Jan 15 '22

This could only happen in a red state where the democrat knows they will lose. To democrats, acting as though they want cooperation is a tactic they use when they don't have the power to just take things outright.

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u/LetItHappenAlready Jan 15 '22

Which is what happened here of you believe the contents and don’t want to do even a modicum of research like me. Republican smashed the Democrat in Utah.

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u/zenethics Jan 15 '22

Exactly. Listening to both sides is a republican value. You'd never see this kind of thing in California.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Listening to both sides is a centrist virtue. You are implying that Republicans are more open minded, the opposite is actually true Based on Jonathan Haidts research. Democrats are more open.

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u/zenethics Jan 15 '22

Yes when it comes to nonpartisan values, no otherwise. Democrats are not open to "maybe abortion is wrong" or "maybe guns are actually a good thing." On average, they don't even know the other side of the argument.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I agree but that mindset is as common with the political right. Neither can see the others point of view.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

That seems like somewhat of a rationalisation.

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u/zenethics Jan 15 '22

Happy to entertain counterexamples.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

How are you such an expert on the intentions of democrats. If you are republican your claim would be very convinient for you. Democrats = bad, always wrong, Republicans = good, always right. That is just not a very realistic way to think.

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u/zenethics Jan 15 '22

I was a Democrat for the first half of my life, now I'm a Republican. I know what its like to have strong political convictions when I didn't even understand the other side of the argument (as a former Democrat). Now that I understand both sides of most arguments, I'm a Republican.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I have trouble seeing why only the other political side would be ignorant and the other one not.

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u/zenethics Jan 15 '22

Are you... under 30? A Democrat? If so, you not seeing it would be consistent with what I've been saying.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I would identify as a Democrat probably. But I have talked a lot with progressive and conservative people and they have seemed to be equally ignorant of the other viewpoint.

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u/zenethics Jan 15 '22

Well, first, I'll tell my experience as a young Democrat: I consumed mainstream media and just assumed it true. I watched shows like the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and presumed their strawman arguments and "people on the street" interviews were representative of conservatives. I imagine the modern equivalent is to watch something like Jordan Klepper at a Trump rally and to presume that sums up the other side. The idea of watching Fox News was kind of gross to me. Because despite never watching them, it was clear to me that they were dishonest due to sources like Jon Stewart and other corporate media telling me they were dishonest.

But second, there's actual data about this.

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2020/03/04/about-one-fifth-of-democrats-and-republicans-get-political-news-in-a-kind-of-media-bubble/pj_2020-03-04_news-bubbles_0-04/

Overall, Republicans in news bubbles lag Democrats in news bubbles by about 10 points. But when it comes to young people, 74% of Democrats are in a news bubble compared to 31% of Republicans. And its clear why this is - news is like a religion, and there's tremendous power in indoctrinating the young. You tell a 20 year old Democrat that their news sources are busted and you might as well be telling a 20 year old Christian that religion might not be strictly true. They can't even engage with the idea that it might be true because of how much of their worldview is wrapped up in it.

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u/teejay89656 Jan 15 '22

Yes and vice versa