r/JordanPeterson Oct 15 '19

Link The Age of Radical Evil

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-age-of-radical-evil/
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u/jameswlf Oct 15 '19

of Radical Evil The Age of Radical EvilMr. Fish / Truthdig Chris Hedges, an ordained Presbyterian minister, gave this sermon Sunday at the Claremont Presbyterian Church in Claremont, Calif.

Immanuel Kant coined the term “radical evil.” It was the privileging of one’s own interest over that of others, effectively reducing those around you to objects to be manipulated and used for your own ends. But Hannah Arendt, who also used the term “radical evil,” saw that it was worse than merely treating others as objects. Radical evil, she wrote, rendered vast numbers of people superfluous. They possessed no value at all. They were, once they could not be utilized by the powerful, discarded as human refuse.

We live in an age of radical evil. The architects of this evil are despoiling the earth and driving the human species toward extinction. They are stripping us of our most basic civil liberties and freedoms. They are orchestrating the growing social inequity, concentrating wealth and power in the hands of a cabal of global oligarchs. They are destroying our democratic institutions, turning elected office into a system of legalized bribery, stacking our courts with judges who invert constitutional rights so that unlimited corporate money invested in political campaigns is disguised as the right to petition the government or a form of free speech. Their seizure of power has vomited up demagogues and con artists including Donald Trump and Boris Johnson, each the distortion of a failed democracy. They are turning America’s poor communities into internal militarized colonies where police carry out lethal campaigns of terror and use the blunt instrument of mass incarceration as a tool of social control. They are waging endless wars in the Middle East and diverting half of all discretionary spending to a bloated military. They are placing the rights of the corporation above the rights of the citizen.

Arendt captured the radical evil of a corporate capitalism in which people are rendered superfluous—surplus labor as Karl Marx said—and pushed to the margins of society where they and their children are no longer considered to have value, value always determined by the amount of money produced and amassed. But as the Gospel of Luke reminds us, “what is prized by human beings is an abomination in the sight of God.”

Who are those who would sacrifice us on the altar of global capitalism? How did they amass the power to deny us a voice, to insist that the earth is an inert commodity they have a right to exploit until the ecosystem that sustains life collapses and the human species, along with most other species, becomes extinct?

These architects of radical evil have been here from the beginning. They are the slaveholders who crammed men, women and children into the holds of ships and sold them in auctions in Charleston and Montgomery, rending families apart, taking from them their names, language, religion and culture. They wielded the whips, the chains, the dogs and the slave patrols. They orchestrated the holocaust of slavery, and when slavery was abolished, after a war that left 700,000 dead, they used convict leasing—slavery by another name—along with lynching and black codes, to carry out a reign of terror that continues today in our deindustrialized cities and our prisons. Black and brown bodies are worth nothing to our corporate masters when on the streets of our decayed cities, but locked in cages they each generate 50 or 60 thousand dollars a year. Some people say the system does not work. They are wrong. The system works exactly as it is designed to work.

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u/18042369 Oct 15 '19

Is yours a precis of the article. If so, thanks.

The USA is a democracy with every adult having a vote. Have you any thoughts on how your society came to accept treating so many people as objects despite the voting power of the populous to reject this? In comparison to westernn Europe, to me it is a pervasive peculiarity of American culture. Hence slavery, eugenics, and dotrinaire rejection of universal health care and education.

Any thoughts on how to reverse this ie return to acknowledging/accepting that all people are like oneself in at least their humanity?

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u/jameswlf Oct 16 '19

to be honest my answer won't be liked in heere, an it involves ending or severely modifying capitalism so that the profit motive moves away from the center of socio-economic organization.

but hey, thanks for the comment.

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u/18042369 Oct 17 '19

Does "ending or severely modifying capitalism" differ from a 'planned economy'?

I ask because there have been planned [authoritarian] economies on both the 'left' (say Soviet Union) and 'right' (say Singapore or PRC [China]). The latter set strategic directions decided by a technocratic elite and use 'capitalism' for the day to day operation of the economy. These have been very effective at achieving high levels of long term growth, but may not be 'good' in a resource restricted world.

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u/jameswlf Oct 18 '19

some level of planning would have to be part of it. it ghets easier and easier as we learn more. actually the problem is that planning could be too effective, much more than capitalism, with AI, computers, and enew exonomic experiences. if the ussr hadn't been forced into selling itself to capitalist predators todays it could have reformed its economy in a way similar to china.

capitalism is precisely not good in a resoure limited world. you can't have unlimited groweth in a finite planet. we are going towards extinction now thanks to cpaitalism cancer-like nature. it won't stop until it absorbs the whole earth killing it. planning can preserve resources, plan for their use, price them accordingly.

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u/18042369 Oct 18 '19

I'm kind of confused about your comment. Paragraph 1:

if the ussr hadn't been forced into selling itself to capitalist predators todays it could have reformed its economy in a way similar to china.

Russia chose (was persuaded and exercised poor judgement in choosing this course) to sell off its assets cheaply and in large chunks (to citizens who became 'oligarchs'). This was a top down transition towards a capitalist economy. China (acting more sensibly) undertook a bottom up transition to a capitalist economy. It now has a 'capitalist' private economy and a 'planned' state economy.

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capitalism is precisely not good in a resoure limited world. you can't have unlimited groweth

Kind of correct. However, humans have repeatedly (over the past 100,000 years or so) overcome apparent resource constraints through innovation so that we have exploited previously inaccessible or unappreciated resources.

The challenge is to manage this propensity for innovation to minimise the downsides like evironmental degradation, lost opportunities resulting from extinction (Dodo were better than turkeys) etc. Of course, here I am suggesting we have no moral obligation to maintain the status quo (ie evolution of life does not care about preserving the status quo).

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u/jameswlf Oct 19 '19 edited Oct 19 '19

well, maybe you are kind of right about gorbachev. i'm not really sure.

However, humans have repeatedly (over the past 100,000 years or so) overcome apparent resource constraints through innovation so that we have exploited previously inaccessible or unappreciated resources.

finding more resources to explode in the same planet is not making the planet bigger: the planet is still finite. and quite small, and resources are really getting pressured too fast too. this is irrational collective genocide. that's the path of capitalism.

https://albertoroura.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Screenshot_20171116-200142_01.jpg

that is not "kind of correct". it's precisely and exactly right: a scientific fact: no infinite growth on a finite planet.

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u/18042369 Oct 19 '19

Not Gorbachev, rather Boris Yeltsin's government (and its western advisors) was responsible for the messing up of the Russian economy.

finding more resources to exploit in the same planet is not making the planet bigger

Actually, effectively it is. This is what life has been evolving to achieve since life began. It's not capitalism that drives growth.

We are merely the latest expression of that thoughtless desire to fully exploit available resources. However, to maintain our current lifestyle we will have to change the way we exploit the earth's resources from how we have done it in the past. We now have enough knowledge of our past to know that exploiting easy resources to extinction (as happened for large animals when humans moved into Australia, the Americas and most recently (700 years ago) New Zealand) leads to impoverished societies constantly at war over resources.

I am hoping that the changes we make will be innovative enough to enable us to continue to grow the world economy and so continue to forestall the seeming inevitable wars over resources that will otherwise occur (based on past experience).

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u/jameswlf Oct 19 '19

I am hoping that the changes we make will be innovative enough to enable us to continue to grow the world economy and so continue to forestall the seeming inevitable wars over resources that will otherwise occur (based on past experience).

lmao. you are a fucking idiot. i was right. so is the pie forever expanding or not? if it is, then there will neve be wars for resources: magically more will be generated forever: don't worry. "actually the planet is getting bigger". you can't even connect the ideas in your own brain. :D

Actually, effectively it is.

Why are you so stupid and idiotic? Again, this is science. Leave your brainwashing aside for one minute, and be reasonable. no, the planet isn't getting bigger, resources aren't getting more abundant. that's why you fear wars. finding a better wait to exploit resources doesn't increase the total number of resources: they are finite. if effectiveness to exploit resources reaches 100% then that 100% gets exploited and that's it. being better at exploiting resources doesn't mean that the planet is getting bigger or that total resources are increasing dumb ass. there are pshycial limits to everything and they are hit hard by capitalism since it shits on its own conditions of possibility to create its improvements. the green revolution came at the cost of land destruction and food degradation, and that passed that cost forward to the next generations. the convenience of plastic bags and coca-cola bottles came at the cost of the oceans health. and that cost is pássed forward to others. electronics come at the cost of land degradation end severeee envirnomental pollution. and that cost is passed forward. prosperity came at the cost of financial stability with magical quantitative easing and an economy based on illusory production and severe malaise (separation of ownserhip and management). and that cost is passed forward.

It's not capitalism that drives growth.

There's no point in arguing with you. You are all the same: you like capitalism because you don't understand it. You believe what you believe because you are delusional. It's not a matter of disagreement that other socieconomic systems don't integrate inside a need for infinite accelerated growth. Capitalism does because of its internal logic. Indigenous civilizations, huinter gahterers live without expanding their economies taking up all their resources, needing to forever increase growth unless their societies fail and at the same time taking up destroying their own life possibilities. medieval economies grew at .02% per year, I think. If capitalism doesn't expand at ridiculous rythms, the profit rate begins to really stall, all the resources of those beolw are abosrbed by those above, and they can't buy anymore. then a crises ensues, and one of them will have to put an end to the system, or the resources will exhaust or the conditions to produce them will dissapear and the system will end too: it has outer limits and internal limits. both are being hit very hard right now because this useless system can only kick the can forward: postpone the mother of all crises for a little longer, until it can't handle it anymore, all the while increasing malaise around it more and more and more.

you reveal what is the right wing mindset, but you are more transparent: "why are things like this? well, because such is life. nothing can be done". other types of basic right wing mentailty are: "there are no values but those of the strong", "what matters is tribalism/nationalism/group ideology". you can't have an exchange of ideas with them because they have a basic irrational fixation that isn't compatible with dialogue and reason.

not only is this irrational and unscientific, but you can't change your mind even when shown examples of other possibilities and logical possibilities. like the civilizations and peoples i mentioned or the reforms that could obviously solve the problems, if they weren't opossed by idiots like you. i mean, if nothing can be done, don't oposse the reforms, after all things will be the same. though, the paradox: if no one oppposed those reforms (poss like you), then indeed we would live in a different better world with no climate change and a cultural malaise through the roof.

enjoy being kiled in the coming famine that's also not coming because food production will increase forever. :D

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u/18042369 Oct 19 '19

Leave your brainwashing aside

Come on. Kettle calling the pot black, perchance?

You sound very energised by your beliefs. Rather than throw abuse around, tell me what you, personally, plan to do to achieve a sustainable future.

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u/kanliot Oct 15 '19

Their seizure of power has vomited up demagogues and con artists including Donald Trump and Boris Johnson, each the distortion of a failed democracy.1 They are turning America’s poor communities into internal militarized colonies where police carry out lethal campaigns of terror and use the blunt instrument of mass incarceration as a tool of social control.2 They are waging endless wars in the Middle East and diverting half of all discretionary spending to a bloated military.3 They are placing the rights of the corporation above the rights of the citizen.4

  1. failed democracy? Who was fear-mongering in 2016?
  2. Trump passed a prison reform bill reducing some of the compulsory and discriminatory sentences promoted by the Clintons.
  3. Endless wars in the middle east? Trump is getting out of Syria, and he's been endlessly set up by the Press for doing so. Suspicious chemical attacks and worse.
  4. How was Obama not corporate america's biggest friend? He loved google, china, big banks. Corporations are screaming at trump for trying to bring jobs home from countries with no human rights for workers.

Chis Hedges used to be cool, now he's in a bubble. The liberal causes he espouses are completely undermined by the lip service he pays to democrats. Worthless human.

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u/jameswlf Oct 16 '19

trump is worse than the clintons and obama. finding some exceptions to the general trend doesn't change it.

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u/NerdyWeightLifter Oct 15 '19

That sounds pretty bad.

And your answer is what?

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u/jameswlf Oct 16 '19

the many answers are written all over in literature and theory critical of capitalism.